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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I'm a proficient software engineer and have the financial means to leave. I'm staying. 100%. This isn't a fight we can run from. If the US falls to fascism, there's a lot more damage we can expect around the world.

The plan is to increase the rhetoric and efforts already in place, but hopefully with more participation, as people (hopefully) slowly wake up to reality.

I had a buddy once in a previous job who didn't vote in 2016. His stance was that the system was "working as intended", and voting was equivalent to condoning the system. Not voting was his way of exercising his freedom of speech. I disagreed with his logic but I understood, mainly because I couldn't verbalize a valid and logical counterargument. Today I can.

My buddy was right. The system is working as intended. But you can't say that without also stating that, at our best, more than ⅓ of eligible voters don't vote. Couple that with a system meant to disadvantage large populations, and, yeah, the system is working as intended. I believe that our best option is to stay and fight by being politically active and encouraging others to do the same.

I also do believe in our fellow man. Trump has plenty of supporters, but I honestly believe they're outnumbered and endangered. This doesn't make them less dangerous. Probably moreso tbh. And even though they're outnumbered, the only way to truly push forward is to keep up the fight and not underestimate them. We need to be louder, fight harder, and make our voices heard when it counts. ie, vote.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Try like hell to move across the pond or Japan.

[–] slurpinderpin 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

It was shocking to see how much better of a society Japan was when I visited. Really the one thing they don’t do as well as us is create shareholder value. To which I say, who gives a fuck?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Every former expat I've asked says the same thing.

Japan is for Japanese people.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 8 points 6 months ago

Doesn't matter how long you live there or even if you were born there. If you don't look Japanese you're a foreigner.

[–] insaneinthemembrane 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hugely sexist country though. Maybe it's nice for men to move there.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Prevent it from happening in the first place my voting. It sounds like a lot of people have already given up before the election has even started.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

I don't think you understood the prompt

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (4 children)

nobody's going to do anything. people always say they will but they never do

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So I just barely make it into the classes that do well under trump, but I’m very worried as the social safety net is falling apart for most americans, and that republican rule only speeds that problem. I’m going to be trying to strengthen resources that help people trying to make it to self-sufficiency, but I can’t overcome the typical american attitude of “I’ve failed because I need help.” I guess the best plan for most people is to take care of those around them, be moral and resist bad policy by quiet lack of compliance, and try to help good people get out of bad parts of the country so they collapse all the sooner.

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[–] jordanlund 13 points 6 months ago

Get ready for '26. Flipping/Maintaining the House and Senate has to be the priority.

[–] HurlingDurling 13 points 6 months ago

Leaving the country and taking my kids in case plan 2025 starts happening.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not sure. But my partner and I have an out, we will probably move to their home country and start a new life there if need be. It's kind of hard to determine when the right time to leave is.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

I’m going to keep going to work, brushing my teeth, keeping my apartment clean, working out, visiting my father on the weekends. (serious)

[–] Brkdncr 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I’m in a blue state, so mostly help friends and family in red states. Specifically, help people access reproductive care.

Besides that, put more effort into local government.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

"On Tyranny" by Tim Snyder has an excellent set of practical guidelines based on how it's played out in other places historically

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[–] randon31415 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Trump will eventually do something that gets between rich people and their money while also being an impeachable offense. The "sane" bussiness republican VP will pardon Trump after his impeachment and have him live out the rest of his life as a fox news call in guest until he died of "old age".

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[–] Sam_Bass 10 points 5 months ago

Lots of head shaking and tsktsking but no real action

[–] hardcoreufo 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Move in with my friend in the Netherlands. He's wanted me to move even if Biden wins.

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[–] Thcdenton 10 points 6 months ago

Laugh, fart, jack off. Probably simultaneously.

[–] Unlearned9545 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Move to New Zealand. TBF, I'll probably move there if doesn't will as well.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

i'll be ready to observe everything, and get a documented first hand account of fascism (assuming it happens)

Otherwise, i'll probably just shit and piss myself hoping nothing implodes. while staying very far away from the internet.

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[–] HoustonHenry 9 points 6 months ago

As an athiest, go get on Jesus' good side and hope for a better afterlife

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Move faster and work lots of overtime to get the last of my debt paid off then going to a friends place in Mexico. I speak Mexican Spanish well enough so I can avoid areas filled with expats.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Hope that Canada or one of the Nordic/EU countries have job openings for an engineer.

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[–] Furbag 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well, we survived him once, we can do it again.

I'd still prefer to not get set back another decade by having him in office, and the danger of him never leaving office by way of dismantling all of the safeguards that prevented his coup in 2021 can't be ignored.

If there are ways I can resist, I will. If there are people I can help just by reaching out, I will extend my hand to them. I won't let Trump's hateful rhetoric poison my humanity or turn me against my fellow man.

If things get bad enough, my girlfriend and I have a "bug-out" plan that we discussed and agreed upon that basically amounts to - withdraw everything from our financial accounts, sell everything that isn't nailed down if we can or abandon everything in place, round up the family and buy plane/boat tickets to head somewhere that has low requirements for citizenship or will accept American petitions for political asylum if things get desperate enough. This is in the worst-case scenario where the U.S. descends into a full fascist/totalitarian state and there is a clear and present danger of us getting killed just for being political dissidents.

Ideally, we'd like to stay here and hope that things get better, but every year things seem to get worse and worse. The American Dream is dead and rotting, and we can just barely see a pinhole of light at the end of the tunnel for us to be able to achieve a life, but we're both left wondering if we're even going to be able to hold on to that if we do manage to seize it given how much the economy is backsliding each year.

tl;dr: the plan is to keep our heads down, but our spirits as high as possible, and always know where the closest exit is in case of an emergency.

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