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"What's happening in Gaza is not genocide. We reject that," Biden said at a Jewish American Heritage Month event at the White House.

I can't tell if he's pandering or trying to lose the election

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[-] [email protected] 131 points 4 weeks ago

Biden stressed his belief that Israel was the victim dating back to the Oct. 7 attack

Yes, we are not disputing that. Israel definitely was the victim at the time. But that doesn't mean they're allowed to kill so many innocent people that we now have lost the count

[-] Postmortal_Pop 52 points 4 weeks ago

I got cut off by a minivan one time so I guess Biden is saying I have carde blanc to run every minivan I see off the road.

[-] [email protected] 52 points 3 weeks ago
[-] irreticent 14 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Postmortal_Pop 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, that's the French I was looking for!

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[-] APassenger 8 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, we had a phenomenal ratio for 9/11 and Iraqi Freedom & Afghanistan.

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[-] ElectroVagrant 76 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Original article: https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-whats-happening-gaza-is-not-genocide-2024-05-20/

It's pretty clear to me Biden's trying to thread the needle on this in a gruesome way. The argument seems to follow the form of: civilian deaths are collateral damage, this is unfortunate but this is war and they are not purposely being targeted and so this is not genocide.

However that almost willfully ignores the denial and blocking of aid to the same affected civilians, which is a deliberate action that despite the cover story being to prevent it reaching Hamas, falls entirely flat as regardless, it results in direct suffering and death of the civilians. I say almost because some small efforts have been made to push back against the denial of aid, but as is evident to anyone monitoring the situation, these efforts are all far too small to address the widespread suffering and death of the Gazan people.

This whole semantics game around genocide is simply disgusting. You know those in government know exactly what people mean when they're calling it that, they want an end to the killing and an end to the deaths of civilians, whether from military strikes or denial of aid.

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[-] retrospectology 66 points 4 weeks ago

It's like he can't even do the bare minimum of keeping his mouth shut.

[-] FlyingSquid 27 points 4 weeks ago

Him or Trump. Both of them would probably be more popular if they just shut the fuck up once in a while.

[-] retrospectology 22 points 3 weeks ago

One day I want to see someone get elected based simply on the fact that they just don't say anything. Like, Mr. Bean their way to the presidency.

[-] FlyingSquid 9 points 3 weeks ago

That would be Calvin Coolidge, aka "Silent Cal." Supposedly, he was once bet that he could be made to say three words, and he replied, "you lose."

That said, he's not an especially highly-rated president.

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[-] Treczoks 59 points 3 weeks ago

Explain then what killing people by coordinated starving, displacement, and exposing to unhealthy and life-threatening situations by the IDF is in your opinion.

[-] AstridWipenaugh 17 points 3 weeks ago

The IDF said stop resisting. All they had to do was behave and comply and none of this would have happened. It was self defense. Israel felt threatened. Well, what were they wearing? Am I doing it right?

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[-] undergroundoverground 57 points 3 weeks ago

Its not genocide because its not from the Atroci region of sub saharan Africa or the Geno region of Central and Eastern Europe.

It's actually sparkling murder induced relocation of an indigenous people, based solely on their ethnic identity, specifically to bring about the destruction of said ethnic group.

I hope that clears everything up.

[-] wildcardology 53 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, Americans should brace for a Trump dictatorship after this statement.

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[-] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago

Remember, it's only genocide if it originates from occupied Poland. Otherwise, it's just sparkling mass extermination.

[-] Tronn4 11 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] inclementimmigrant 45 points 3 weeks ago

It's like he wants young people and liberals to not vote for his dumb ass.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

It's more like he knows liberals and young people have to vote for him or they'll get a fascist instead.

[-] febra 15 points 3 weeks ago

I'm fairly sure many people will just not go to the polls. I think he's banking on a very risky and stupid idea here.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Literally the same play that cost them the election the last time with Clinton.

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[-] inclementimmigrant 13 points 3 weeks ago

True up to a point. Youth at least are very fickle and very demoralized already with the lack of opportunities to be financially screwed.

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[-] gmtom 8 points 3 weeks ago

More like he wants average middle aged swing state voters to vote for him, since those are the only people that really matter and they are typically pro Israel.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Okay but seriously who's out there, wringing their hands, trying to figure out if they'll vote Trump or Biden? No one. If you're voting for Trump, there is absolutely nothing Biden (or Trump for that matter) could do to change your mind. All those centrist neolibs in the swing states are going to vote for Biden regardless, because there's no one else for them to vote for. The true "undecided voters" are undecided between showing up and just not showing up. And shit like this just pushes them closer to the not showing up position. Every time Biden panders to his already locked in centrist base, instead of trying to get progressives to show up for him, it should be considered a willful attempt to get Trump elected.

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 4 weeks ago

And we reject your rejection, now what mother fucker?

[-] flying_gel 8 points 4 weeks ago

it's a shame that the other option is even more pro israel :/

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[-] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Okay, if it makes you feel better, we can call it premeditated mass-murder instead.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/SantaCruz-Spegazzini-CaidaAnimation.gif

The neoliberal colonialist stranglehold world order is collapsing so fast it is making my head spin.

The centrist, austerity minded democrats who have enjoyed power in the US for the last couple of decades are absolutely self immolating, they look like utter absolute murderous clowns when they claim with a straight face that the Palestinian Genocide is not a Genocide.

Make no mistake this is a turning point, no matter what happens in this election, this kind of democrat who supports whatever Israel does because... well because.... to the point of pretending an ongoing genocide being done with your weapons and fighter jets doesn't exist is toast.

No matter what happens in this election, the kind of mainstream media that is towing the line Israel by giving them complete diplomatic and narrative immunity towards being the bad guys when Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinians every day as we speak... it is detonating the strangehold of conservative, ideologically bereft centrist who have been trying to manage the global status quo without actually conceding to progressive changes to it.

The critical change here is that milquetoast democrats used to be globally regarded as at least somewhat rationale and ethically minded compared to the dumpster that is american conservatism, but this genocide is thoroughly proving to the world that most centrist democrats are just the good cop to the bad cop republicans, and if push comes to shove a good cop has no problem filling in for the role of bad cop when they perceive it will retain their violent power.

I really don't think the rich and powerful who controlling basically everything in the US have any idea how deep a majority of US citizen's revulsion over the pointlessness of the Iraq war has burrowed into their psyche. They really don't get it, they think we are just going to roll over and accept US imperialism/military industrial complex as "just the way it is honey" like our parents did but we are FAR stronger and more politically aware than our parents were and FARRRRRRR more jaded in a way that makes us suspect of the basic legitimacy of the military industrial complex at every turn we have to interact with it.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

While I don't disagree with what you're saying, holy FUCK, you need to learn how to break up your thoughts with a period. You have 5 paragraphs and 6 periods.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

Where are the Biden boyfriends that call everyone that criticizes biden a Trump supporter? I said multiple times on lemmy that a lot of people go above and beyond to support this horrible person who repeatedly mentioned his fantasies for an israeli state and serving it since he was a kid.

Trump is worse but that doesn't mean you can't criticize this piece of shit.

And the worst thing is I live far away from the US and still get called Trump supporter for calling this sicko a sicko.

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[-] Aceticon 12 points 3 weeks ago

So, how much and for how long does one need to support a genocidal fascist movement actively murdering civilians including tens of thousands of children, before it's fair to describe such a person as a genocidal fascist himself?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

I support a lot of really nice people, but that doesn’t make me one.

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[-] ParabolicMotion 9 points 3 weeks ago

I think the ICC is handling it better. There are two groups in that area that want to murder people, and there are now warrants issued for their arrest. I just don’t think America should have become directly involved.

Building a pier and trying to send in aid is a nice gesture, but Palestinians are killing each other for those boxes of food, and Israelis are attacking aid vehicles. It’s starting to look like Blackhawk Down.

Biden backed Israel by giving them weapons because Hamas had taken so many Israelis hostage. If he had picked the other side when news of the hostages began to spread, society would have been calling him a Nazi.

Both sides in this war want to kill each other. There are children in both sides of these groups that are suffering. How can anyone pick a side and hope that they kill the other side? It’s inhumane. Let the terrorists be arrested.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, well it's totally okay then. /s

He's might be technically right so far, since most of the population is still standing, but depending on where things go next this line could be remembered along with "peace in our time".

[-] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Genocide, per it's UN definition, just requires "actions with the intend to destroy, in whole or in part". So no, just because they're not done yet doesn't mean it's not genocide

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[-] Maggoty 10 points 3 weeks ago

You don't need to be successful to have committed the crime.

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[-] unreasonabro 9 points 3 weeks ago

what's happening in America is not democracy, Joe, but what's happening in Gaza is absolutely genocide, and has been since the 1940s.

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