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[–] [email protected] 115 points 6 months ago

Intuitively speaking, how many times does half of a thing fit into a quarter of a thing? The answer is, exactly one half time.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 6 months ago (1 children)

How many halves fit into a quarter? Half of them

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago

That's exactly how I think of it, so strange someone downvoted you

[–] Redacted 65 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

✅ Math is hard

❌ This math is hard

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

0.25 / 0.5 = 0.5
0.25 = 0.5 × 0.5
1/4 = 1/2 × 1/2

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

p/q=q

So q=√p

Works with a lot of numbers ☝🏻🤓

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

Ehhh |q| = √p but close enough

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago

This is why "divide by half" and "divide in half" are two different things

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 months ago (2 children)

It won’t keep you up if you just think of Divide as just multiplying by the fraction

[–] Sylvartas 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I was gonna comment that 0.25*(1/0.5) = 0.5 doesn't look nearly as weird

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I didn’t specify fully, but I was just thinking 1/4 * 2/1

[–] Sylvartas 2 points 6 months ago

Imo, as soon as you write it as 0.25 multiplied by a fraction it works, because you can then easily see that it's the same as (1/4)*2

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

The math looks perfectly fine. But when people phrase "half of a quarter" I think they have (1/2)*(1/4) in mind, instead of 0.25/0.5

[–] feedum_sneedson 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you give half a person a quarter of a thing, how much would you be giving a full person? That's right baby, half a thing. Don't sweat it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I worry that people who can get onto the internet find fractions a challenge.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's why my favorite way to troll the usual "why isn't everyone on metric" goombahs is to tell them they're just too lazy and/or dumb to do math with fractions.

[–] ASeriesOfPoorChoices 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I mean, I'm too lazy, but really - why make life harder than it has to be?

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

x / sqrt(x) = sqrt(x)

Damn who would've thought?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Divide by 1/2 or multiply with 2/1. It's an equivalent transformation.

[–] LANIK2000 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just think of division as how many times the right expression fits inside the left expression. 0.5 fits into 0.25 only 0.5 aka 1/2 times, because only half of it fits.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

Precisely this. The people not getting the OP are why Common Core was developed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago

The numbers between zero and one are where all of the fun is!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A quarter is one half of one half. Makes perfect sense.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I think, it is the real world logic that makes it hard to grasp. If you divide something with something small it becomes bigger. Mathematically it's easy and makes sense, but it it's somehow not intuitive. Especially for young me :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

That's the same as 2/2=1 3/3=1 268/268=1 ...

[–] johannesvanderwhales 7 points 6 months ago

This just comes down to the fact that "dividing by a fraction is the same as multiplying by the inverse of the fraction" is an easy rule to follow but not particularly intuitive. In natural language, when most people hear "divide by half" they're actually picturing "divide by two" in their head.

[–] ParabolicMotion 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It’s going to be okay:

Edited to add this: Singapore math insists however, that we eliminate the use of visuals in describing arithmetic within the rationals. They encourage that users of common core rely upon the number line, and solely the number line for thorough and most mathematically sound representations of arithmetic, even when involving the division of fractions.

For those not up to speed to with common core, remember how the teacher used to draw a diagram of a bunny hopping from one integer to the next integer to represent adding given integers, such as 4+3, or -2+1? Imagine that representation being used with problems like 1/7 divided by 5/49, and no decimal approximation is allowed. It’s fascinating and truly something to appreciate from the standpoint of someone who truly loves mathematics. I think it makes for great discussions amongst math graduates like myself, and other math enthusiasts. What does that mean for those who are not so enthused? Sometimes it means the teacher receives death threats from angry students. You can’t make everyone happy.

[–] cammoblammo 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I’m not sure I completely agree with the number-line-only approach, but I’m definitely sympathetic to it. It reinforces the idea that fractions are numbers like any other numbers, and not pieces of pizza.

[–] ParabolicMotion 2 points 6 months ago

I get that. I like the number line approach, and respect it, but I have also observed seasoned math coaches fumble the visual explanation of a division by fractions problem where the numerators and denominations were relatively prime. As soon as the guy had drawn the first fraction and began to say, “we’d multiply by the recipro-…”, I could tell it was going to be long problem. He just stood there, and then asked, “well, how would I go about explaining the ‘keep change flip’, if you will?” He ended the problem by saying he might just explain that the distance drawn for the first fraction needs to be repeated on the other side of the fraction to show the multiplication by the denominator of the second fraction, and then that distance could be broken into parts to demonstrate the division by the previous numerator of the second fraction.

Basically he ended the problem by saying, “let’s just reflect it! Then we can break it up.” There wasn’t really a sound justification for the reflection piece of the process, other than saying, “we need to multiply by the reciprocal of the second fraction, so we’ll just have to multiply by its denominator it had, prior to flipping it.”

That was the quietest meeting I have ever seen amongst that group of adults.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Multiplication of x times 6:

x * 6 = 1/2 x * 10 + x

This can sometimes be a shortcut for numbers that are easier to divide by 2 than to multiply by 6.

Take half as tens and add the number.

6 * 6 = 30 + 6 = 36

8 * 6 = 40 + 8 = 48

150 * 6 = 750 + 150 = 900

320 = 1600 + 320 = 1920

Etc.

Sleep well.

[–] lunarul 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

So an extension of the x * 5 = x/2 * 10 shortcut

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Exactly. Multiples of 5 are easy enough in my opinion, but the principle can be used for all kinds of stuff when trying to calculate quickly.

For instance 9x =10x-x is usually faster than 9x (at least for my brain).

I once talked to an old guy who called it "little math", because it fits in your head instead of having to use paper and pencil at the desk. It must have been taught differently before I was born. I work with numbers, and I've often encountered these old geezers who can eyeball a number close enough to make a decision before I can boot my pc and put everything through Excel.

[–] lunarul 2 points 6 months ago

I like that there's a name for it. I always try to do that if possible. Division by 25? You mean multiply by 4 and divide by 100. Convert miles to km? That's x + x/2 + x/10.

Not sure if qualify as old geezer, you never know on the internet. I'm old for most people here, but you mention Excel, so you sound closer to my age :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This don't avoid to sleep not even for 1/2 second. But pick any number. If that number is even, divide it by 2. If it's odd, multiply it by 3 and add 1. Now repeat the process with your new number. If you keep going, you'll eventually end up at 1.

[–] bahbah23 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes, but everyone tried since a century to find a number with which it don't work, good to avoid sleep.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Any positive number?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

2^-2 * (2^-1)^-1 = 2^-2 * 2^(-1 * -1) = 2^(-2 + -1 * -1) = 2^(-2 + 1) = 2^-1 = 1/2 = 0.5

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Man, I thought this is an ADHD meme when trying to sleep and your brain starts to do random shit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Please use parenthesis to avoid ambiguity. N/1/2 could also mean N/2...

(Also I think you made a typo "2N/2" should be "2N/1")

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

thank you very much

[–] rdri 1 points 6 months ago

That's 2x2=4 level of stupid.

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