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[–] [email protected] 344 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nobody tell her about daemons.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 1 month ago

“Hacker folklore that pays homage to ‘wizards’ and speaks of incantations and demons has too much psychological truthfulness about it to be entirely a joke.”

—The Jargon File

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

time.sleep() not found. Deamon exited. Child p_id=29 killed.

[–] ChillPenguin 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Damn, that child with a weird name got obliterated.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wait till she learns about zombie children

[–] [email protected] 121 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Is that TV just a CentOS box running VLC‽

[–] experbia 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

probably. this doesn't surprise me one bit.

If you have a smart TV, it probably runs an ARM-architecture Linux or Android (which amounts to a bunch of extra stuff piled onto Linux) to drive the logic and ui to support connecting to the internet and downloading and updating streaming apps and other smart TV crap.

most of the time they'll run some minimal stripped-down version of these operating systems to support only features needed for the TV and it's functions. buildroot is an open source project that specializes in producing hyper slim Linux OS installation images for devices like these.

if I had to guess, they had a USB full of shows plugged in and the smart tv's solution was to just boot up the linux version of VLC in a bare x session when the user hits play on "totally_not_pirated_smallville_s01e03.mkv" on their thumbdrive. not a terrible solution, honestly: VLC just plays anything.

The old kernel is because a lot of low level hardware has available drivers written for it that are intended to be loaded into old versions of the Linux kernel (at time of release perhaps) and are then just never updated lol, at least not for ARM. sometimes there are breaking changes with kernel apis and stuff as the kernel version increases over time, so the easier solution for someone trying to make a TV, over begging and/or paying the hardware developers to update their drivers, is to just run an old kernel version.

everything is a hack. nearly all these smart devices are just general-purpose computers with ancient (predictable, cheap) software and inescapable interfaces taped over the front, and a whole lot of digital duct tape on the back.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I wouldn't really call this a hack, electronic devices would cost twice as much of every OEM had to come up with their own hardware, drivers, frontend etc. Besides, this allows hobbyists to play with their hardware much more easily

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago

Running an absolutely ancient kernel.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Monroe electronics now https://www.digitalalertsystems.com/products makes boxes for cable headends that handle the emergency alert systems. It runs redhat if I remember correctly. They have internet connections a couple of different radio receivers in them. Centos here though

[–] Thcdenton 91 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] friend_of_satan 46 points 1 month ago

Kali Ma Linux

[–] ErrantRoleplayer 85 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I mean... sacrifice child is a whole new one to me! Clearly whoever programmed that in knew what they were doing.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah lol I'm familiar with "kill child" in a process management context, but I've never seen the word "sacrifice" come up. Is that a thing?

[–] thallamabond 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

/*

  • If any of p's children has a different mm and is eligible for kill,
  • the one with the highest oom_badness() score is sacrificed for its
  • parent. This attempts to lose the minimal amount of work done while
  • still freeing memory. */
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nice. Imagine the lady in the post's face when she learns that "oom badness" is how they decide which child to sacrifice.

What's that from?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

From the source file oom_kill.c in the linux kernel. But it seems this has been reworded or changed since 2019. That's the commit that removed this.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 month ago

At this stage kernel 2.6 is ancient culture.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago

I love that she sees a screen of text she doesn't understand, finds a few parts she does and freaks out, but turns out she doesn't understand those either.

[–] enbyecho 38 points 1 month ago

CentOS is coming for your children!!!1

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (2 children)

THE BELOW MESSAGE

No, it's "the message below" or "the following message". Pick a lane.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

"Below" is used as a stranded preposition in your case (the more generally accepted usage), whereas the original post uses it at an adjective. While usage of "below" as an adjective is not universal, it is still accepted by some dictionaries. I could only find the Webster English Dictionary as an example, so I suppose it's mostly exclusive to American English. So yes, your example is the more universal mode (as well as my personal preference), but American English generally accepts the above usage as proper grammar. (The sentence above, as well as this one, demonstrate the usage of "above," a relative locus, as both an adjective and a preposition in modern English).

[–] MataVatnik 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It took me way too long to realize that all words and grammar were made up by some one at some point while they were being silly. Ever since then I came to the conclusion that people can speak however the fuck they want so long as I understand them.

[–] denshirenji 8 points 1 month ago

Pretty much. There is good sense in teaching a standard to ensure communication is possible, but language can and does evolve. We should allow the changes to happen and document them for future language nerds.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Stop being so prescriptive, people can talk however they like so far as they're understood.

[–] Boxtifer 9 points 1 month ago

There's a fine line between being understood and being misunderstood. They can't just talk however they like if they don't wanna increase the risk of the latter.

[–] TheBat 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So the Welsh should never talk‽😡

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah. Why say lot word when few word do trick?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

this lady is joking, right? right??

[–] olutukko 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean she does have a t-shirt that says "~~white~~ american privilege"

hope that answers to your question

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not even sure I understand what that means. is it a diss on America for being too privileged?

[–] olutukko 15 points 1 month ago

I take it as patriotic america first -slogan. the woman is some patriotic nutjob who has her podcast called truth uncensored of something like that so it's pretty safe to assume she is one of those christian maga idiots who would definetly lose their shit for seeing "sacrifise child" in their tv

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[–] Crashumbc 15 points 1 month ago (4 children)

So is this the Linux version of Blu screen?

[–] AProfessional 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] WadeTheWizard 30 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That would be an excellent band name.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or a terrible name for a military commander.

[–] puppy 17 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Colonel Panic. Different spelling though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

That name would be a major ~~pain~~ Payne

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

My band is currently searching for a name. I will add this one to the list.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

No, the equivalent would be a kernel panic that the other user had linked. This is a situation where the RAM is fully used and a program's request for memory cannot be fulfilled. This is still a very bad situation because pretty much everything will grind to a halt. The Linux kernel thus makes a decision to kill a process (or multiple) until enough RAM is available again. Usually it kills the process with the most used RAM, but there's methods to influence the decision.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nope, this is "Your system ran out of memory and now this program isn't reacting anymore (it's trying to allocate memory but there is no free memory left). Please stop the program or try to get rid of some of its subprocesses to free up memory."

[–] cygon 9 points 1 month ago

Not yet. It can lead to that point, but this is just the kernel handling an "out of memory" situation. The kernel in the screenshot is configured to run its OOM reaper / OOM killer.

The OOM reaper checks all running processes and looks for the one that causes the least disruption when killed. It does that by calculating a score which is based on the amount of memory a process uses, how recently it was launched and so on. Ideally, a Linux desktop user would simply see their video game, browser or media player close.

This smart TV is in real trouble, though, it probably already killed its OSD, still didn't even have enough memory to spawn a login shell and is now making short work of strange VLC instances that probably got left behind by a poorly written app store app :)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Translation: "HELP I JUST BOUGHT THIS THING OFF AMAZON THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE ME FREE TV TO DISTRACT MY KIDS BUT NOW ITS SAYING THINGS I DONT UNDERSTAND AND IM SCARED"

Also, please someone send her a L1ZY

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm not even at the point of processing if this is satire or not. Is the context that killing a process is offensive? I mean I get 'sacrifice child', but 'kill process'?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

Kill, process, or sacrifice child

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[–] menemen 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

All those old school (former) linux devs used to play DnD back in the 80s, right? Hmm. Satanic panic 2.0?

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