Maybe she just wasn't impressed by your noob skills and is having doubts herself?
this post was submitted on 08 Apr 2024
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This relationship can be saved as long as the guy's wife does not start expressing an interest in Emacs. That would, of course, put an end to the relationship, but if she's one of those "Notepad is all I need" types, there is hope this can be worked through.
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"nothing fancy" that's the issue, just some jumping won't impress her; you gotta do the real crazy shit. Friggin "wife not impressed by my cooking? I make a hard boiled egg and she isn't impressed"
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"See if you just learn these 87 simple keyboard shortcuts, you won't need to simply drag with the mouse and cut and paste at all!"
> my wife
> vim user
fake
At first, I was mad. Then the slow, sad realization that you're more right than not...
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As someone who's been a software developer for over a decade and in IT even longer, I still don't use vi/vim for anything other than when crontabs have it set as the editor.
alias vi=nano
export EDITOR=nano.
But (neo)vim is amazing so there is no need to do that.
I transfer all my files over to a Windows machine and edit them in Notepad
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ive heard women are into emacs these days
We are, but, like... Just preferring something else doesn't make vim unimpressive. Silver medal's still pretty fucking prestigious, you know?
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I'm sorry but your wife won't be impressed by basic vim motions. You need to learn some more advanced motions to get her wet.
I refuse to see how vim and emacs is worth learning. I only use it because that's the only option when editing server files. Beyond this, I couldn't imagine coding in these environments from scratch.
The biggest benefit of (neo)vim is the motions.
Honestly if you don't use vim motions in your ide of choice, you're missing out big time. Being able to do things like "Delete everything inside these parentheses". di( or "wrap this line and the two lines below in a pair of {}" ys2j{ , or "swap this parameter with the next one" cxia]a. with a single shortcut is game changing.
Even just being able to repeat an action a number of times is ridiculously useful. I use relative line numbers, so I can see how many lines away a target is and just go "I need to move down 17 lines" and hit 17j.
Absolutely insane how much quicker it is too do stuff with vim motions than ctrl-shift-arrows and the like.
Honestly those things just don't sound like common enough actions to be worth shaving 0.5 seconds off. How often do you know exactly how many lines to move a line by? And how often do you even need to move a line that far?
I still don't buy it.
Relative lines means each line except the one your cursor is on is relative to your current line. Like this:
5 5k jumps here
4
3
2
1
6 your cursor is here
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8 8j jumps here
The main reason I like it is I don't like mouse ergonomics. Keeping my hands on the keyboard just feels better
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Go watch a dev who is competent with vim/emacs and you will feel like a 7 year old on a tablet. I didn't give neovim a try until I was thoroughly embarrassed with my ability as a professional text editor (software dev).
Is it the motions you don't like or the editor itself? After 3 days with the motions I could never go back.
Are there any videos of this sort of editing, because honestly every single person I've watched use Vim has just been like "oh wait that's the wrong thing.. hold on." constantly. You're going to say "they aren't competent" but that's kind of the point - approximately nobody is competent in Vim because it isn't worth learning.
Even so, I'd be interested if there are any videos of pros doing real editing (not "look what I can do") on YouTube. Anyone know of any?
Jon Gjengset on Youtube is doing live coding where he uses neovim quite well. And you'll learn about Rust while you're at it.
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I learned vim in college when I needed to edit files over ssh. It's incredibly impressive as far as cli editors go, but I just don't see how it's more productive than a well set up ide with hotkeys.
I barely know Vim, I'm an Emacs guy. Every time I pair with a colleague using an IDE, I find myself having to exercise great restraint, and not complain about how slow and fussy everything they do is. When I've worked with skilled vimmers, I have to admit that they invoke the deep magic nearly as efficiently as I do. Hotkeys? Pshaw, child's play.
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I only use it because that’s the only option when editing server files.
suggestion 1: use nano. Unlike vi(m) and emacs, it's meant for humans, all the command shortcuts you can execute are listed at the bottom.
suggestion 2: browse the servers in question via your file explorer (sftp://user@server or just sftp://server) of choice or WinSCP if you're on windows, open whatever file with your local graphical text editor of choice.
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Stop showing off VIM to your wife would be a good start. I mean, I would do the same if she tried to show off her make tutorials to me.
Make? As in Makefiles or make-up?
Makefile obviously. What the heck is a "make-up"?
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Maybe she's into VSCode guys. So try VSCode with vim plugin.
Skill issue
:q!
Realising that your partner doesn't care about you after 10+ years can indeed be hard.
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Hey at least you showed her your vim and not your nano or micro
Guy shoulda tried emacs instead, wife is probably an elitist
Have you tried tiny macros with q and @? Syntax highlighting? Z-folds? Or turn vi into a hex editor with :%!xxd ?
If that doesn't work, try :divorce
Emacs can do that obviously. And everything else.
Relevant xkcd
You have to adopt Emacs and show her that she can even play Tetris on it.
That's because her bull uses Emacs.
Would've loved to see which community they posted to. RelationshipAdvice?
sit your wife down in front of vim, and make her use it.
It'll make more sense immediately.
If not, divorce.
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Show her you know how to exit vim and she'll instantly be naked and on the bed
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