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“There's this wild disconnect between what people are experiencing and what economists are experiencing,” says Nikki Cimino, a recruiter in Denver.

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[–] [email protected] 346 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Hey, somebody's gotta pay for the highest corporate profits in 70 years.

[–] [email protected] 116 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Important to note:

Companies aren't just raising prices enough to cover costs, they're padding their margins on top.

Just saying that their profit is higher means nothing because of inflation. Inflation will mean that their profits are more often than not the highest they have ever been every year. But the highest margins? That shows they are price gouging.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

If you want to know how bad we're being fucked, search for the PPI, the producer price index. CPI, the one we always hear about, is the measure of inflation to us, the consumer. The PPI is the measure of inflation to producers, what they pay for goods and services to produce the goods and services we buy.

The PPI has been back to "normal" for a while now. Pretty much as soon as the post COVID logistics issues were mostly ironed out. The difference between PPI and CPI changes is almost all profit.

We don't get daily articles on the PPI though, I wonder why.

Tell people about PPI whenever you can, online or off, the more people know, the better. It's easy enough to say inflation is just down to greed but being able to back it up by comparing two simple charts will help people really understand.

PPI

CPI

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[–] SlopppyEngineer 72 points 9 months ago (21 children)

Exactly that. On average the economy is doing fine but it's skewed very heavily towards the top and nothing much for the 90%. The median income is actually decreasing.

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[–] themeatbridge 192 points 9 months ago (88 children)

There's a term for this, HENRY. High Earner, Not Rich Yet. The lie is the "Yet". Millennials and Gen Xers have been struggling to reach the middle class that is kept perpetually out of reach. They have given up on the idea of financial solvency and are going into debt to indulge in luxuries like having children, going on vacations, and living somewhere that isn't a complete shithole. Saving for retirement is as realistic as training to live on Mars, so why bother? Keep digging a financial hole and then lie down and die in it.

[–] Zerlyna 112 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Gen X here and I can’t afford to contribute to my retirement. Even had to withdraw some during unemployment. I’m either working until I die or hoping assisted suicide becomes legal in 20 years.

[–] negativeyoda 79 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Yep. Same. I do pretty good for myself and I'm more fortunate than most, but I had to borrow money from my dad recently for a series of expenses I couldn't absorb in real time. I got the "you don't know how to budget" sermon. It felt as fun as you'd expect

I said fuck it and gave him a list of earnings and expenses (I'm pretty frugal) and he was like, "oh..."

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Gen Millennial here. I can assist you on your suicide that day for a hot meal so I can at least eat on that day. Maybe someone from Gen Z can assist my suicide if I leave him my blanket then.

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[–] TheBat 37 points 9 months ago

assisted suicide

Is that when you die but take a billionaire with you?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

On the bright side, 9mm is cheaper than a retirement home. Somebody's getting a blowjob on my 60th birthday, and it ain't gonna be me!

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[–] Magister 24 points 9 months ago

X here too, 53yo, cannot contribute to retirement. At 67 I will have to sell my house because I'll not be able to afford taxes, insurances, power, repair, etc

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 49 points 9 months ago (15 children)

I might be "rich" when my parents die, depending on how much elder care they need.

I'm actually kind of looking forward to the day I look my kids in the eye and say "I'm going out to look for firewood" and just walk out into the snow and die.

But there won't be any snow anymore so I'll just wander off into a slightly chilly night.

[–] TheBat 27 points 9 months ago

slightly chilly night.

You're a glass half full kind of person, aren't you?

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[–] [email protected] 148 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Honestly, same boat. Our power bill has gone up over 20% this past year like it's insane. Our grocery costs have easily doubled in that time, too. Like I'm doing the math and seeing the numbers like I'm making more than I was 3 years ago, but I wasn't living paycheck to paycheck then, and I'm rationing food today.

I also can't count the number of times prices have gone up on common groceries in the last year. Every time I go in I'm spending more than I did the previous time. And the grocery stores around here have started phasing out their cost saving brands. More and more lately what used to be the expensive brand is the only one left, and I'm paying twice as much for half as much compared to what I was getting before. They're not even trying to hide what they're doing.

[–] CaptPretentious 33 points 9 months ago (6 children)

I'm in this same boat. I get letters from the power company all the time about how I'm using more power than anyone around me. The heat in my place has been kept around 62 all winter, occasionally allowed to get colder. It's a pretty modern build for a house too. I actually used my PC to heat just my bedroom over winter which should be far more power efficient the heating every room. The letters I get try selling me how I need to or could be more efficient like genius ideas like "turn down the thermostat"... its already nearly almost off, just enough to make sure pipes don't freeze.

Only thing that really changed was they installed a new smart meter last fall, of which I had no say.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

In Canada those so-called smart meters turned out to be sending incorrect data (or no data at all) AND causing fires.

Best of luck in getting the powers that be to check them tho. :/

[–] Regrettable_incident 23 points 9 months ago

Maybe you're getting incorrectly billed, have you checked the meter readings? Smart meters don't have a great reputation.

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[–] TurboDiesel 25 points 9 months ago (9 children)

I went grocery shopping Saturday. Grapes were $6/pound. It's getting so we can't afford produce anymore.

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[–] ashok36 128 points 9 months ago (37 children)

I had dinner with my mom last night. She told me she made $2.20/hr as a waitress in 1972. Not including tips.

That's the equivalent of over $16/hr now.

The boomers have no idea how lucky they were. And they fucking wasted it.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 9 months ago (3 children)

They weren't lucky. They voted for people that removed all the guardrails that enabled their success.

[–] ashok36 46 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I agree. I still think they were lucky insofar as they were born in the right place at the right time to benefit massively over future generations.

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[–] Blue_Morpho 29 points 9 months ago

They had too. They couldn't get rich if they had to pay workers what they were paid when they were starting out.

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[–] tacosplease 49 points 9 months ago

Waiters today make $2.13 an hour in my state.

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[–] givesomefucks 98 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Nikki Cimino, a 40-year-old recruiter living in Denver, said she finally saved up enough to buy a condo last year, but missed out on the ultra-low interest rates that had made homeownership more affordable in the early days of the pandemic. Her 5.25% interest rate pushed her monthly payments to $1,650. After a divorce in 2020, she’s shouldering $4,000 in credit card debt.

It's the credit card debt...

Instead of paying that off since 2020, she saved a down payment and bought an expensive condo. She's wasting a shit ton of money on interest because credit cards are all like 20-30%

Credit cards are predatory, if you ever carry a balance to the next month, that needs to be your highest priority.

Do a transfer to get 0% each year if you have to when recovering from emergencies. But paying credit interest for years is insane.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Holy crap! She was "saving up" to buy a condo instead of using that money to pay off the credit cards? That's absolutely insane. I really feel like society would benefit immensely if there were mandatory financial literacy courses every 4 years, or at least before any major purchases (house, car, etc).

[–] givesomefucks 40 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Or just common sense laws against predatory lending by capping interest rates.

Most people don't have a safety net and live paycheck to paycheck.

A huge expense comes up, and rather than get a bank loan at even 8-10%, it goes on a credit card

Companies have a tiny "minimum payment" because they don't want you to pay it off. They want that balance to grow while people ignore it. They don't want it back now, they want thousands more later.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I like the implication that economists aren't people

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 9 months ago (26 children)

Her mortgage is $1650/mo, which is incredibly reasonable in Denver. I think this specific person's problems have more to do with her recent divorce. She was used to splitting costs, and probably spent quite a bit on the divorce itself

[–] BottleOfAlkahest 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

She's paying $1650 for a house? You'd pay more for a house in a neighborhood where every night is the purge here.

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[–] unreasonabro 53 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The floor is rising! But, the floor is lava.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 9 months ago (10 children)

To anyone struggling in the USA and wondering how to possibly get out, just live like Congress and become rich. Then, money problems are way easier to handle. If you have as much money as a Congressman, you will be equally as unconcerned with them as to the state of our union and you will be able to say things are great with a straight face.

[–] TubularTittyFrog 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Not even.

All you really need is wealthy parents. That way you never have to have any debt and get exploited by the credit system and can live your life glib and clueless and wondering why other people are so lazy and poor and didn't work hard like you.

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[–] Illuminostro 45 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Like Dubya said, you should get 2 or 3 more jobs so you can put more food on your family.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 44 points 9 months ago (5 children)
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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 37 points 9 months ago

I'm in this article and don't like it.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Gary Stevenson explains why this is, and why it's not gonna get better anytime soon.

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[–] Aceticon 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Consider the possibility that, first and given the political importance they have in the present day, the official numbers that the Economists are using are less than honest.

Also, I know that some countries don't include Housing Inflation - which is huge* - in their Official Inflation. Is that also the case in the US?

Last but not least, there is the whole difference between what is usually reported to us by Politicians, Economists and the Press, which is either country totals (which grow up merelly by the population growing) or the mean average (i.e. adding all values and dividing by the total number of points) which suffers from the "if a man has 10 chickens and 9 others have none, each has in average 1 chicken even though most have none" problem, and the mode (the value around which most cases are found) which is far more representative of most people's experiences: if for example the wealth increases from higher productivity are going entirelly to a few people who just get ever more filthy rich whilst the many have either stagnated or, worse, are getting a bit poorer due to inflation eating up the true value of their pay, the grand total will be growing, as will the average (if the population numbers are steady) but the mode will have stagnated or even be falling, matching the experience of most people - people get to hear about country GDP growing and even GPD-per-capita growing all the while the vast majority see not growth at all, maybe even a falling of their purchasing power (the latter for sure for any who don't already own their house).

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[–] 3volver 24 points 9 months ago

A higher quality of living is being gatekept by the wealthy.

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