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[–] [email protected] 355 points 9 months ago (27 children)

Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I'll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.

[–] [email protected] 165 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.

Now people have no choice ... they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.

People were always aware of the bullshit ... in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it ... now people can't.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 9 months ago

Cost benefit analysis. I'm Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen "company loyalty" and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.

[–] ki77erb 73 points 9 months ago

I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn't say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn't have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.

[–] rockSlayer 59 points 9 months ago (6 children)

You don't need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now

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[–] [email protected] 223 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

"I have, like, really given my whole energy and life over the last four months to this job, and to be let go for no reason is like a huge slap in the face from a company that I really wanted to believe in,"

First mistake was giving your whole life. Second mistake was believing in a company.

Having survived a layoff like the one they mentioned - people getting random 15 minute meetings, suddenly seeing their accounts decommissioned, etc. - it definitely sucks, and knowing they'll lay me off like that means I have no reason to have loyalty

[–] [email protected] 71 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think most people make this mistake when first entering the workforce though, right? I know I did. Now, I get called pessimistic and cynical. But, I've got three decades of experience at various levels of company. With all that experience, I'd prefer to call myself a realist.

[–] RedditWanderer 64 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Recruiters aren't blind to it either, at least for more senior roles. They stopped talking about the "family" that they are, and how much more "fun" it is to work there. They also stopped asking me why I chose this company, and instead ask me why I chose this role, because they know I don't give a shit about the company. They cut straight to "here is the pay and benefits, we give extra for this that and that". It should be like that for all levels, from junior to director.

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[–] Ghostalmedia 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Millennial / Gen X cusp here. I feel like this really started with my generation. Many people no longer look for a job, they look for a job that allows them to make the world a slightly better place. Many of us have had that drilled into our heads from childhood.

Companies know this, so that’s what they sell when they’re hiring. And when you combine that with the cognitive bias for people wanting to do good through their work, this is the result.

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[–] RedditWanderer 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is effectively the only tool we will ever have against them, and we should use it before too much of the labor force is converted and automated, and the remaining employed shut up out of fear.

A company like Microsoft worth 3 trillion dollars (with a T), who spends billions to acquire another business in a strategic move, should not be allowed to dump the burden on the thousands of people they let go afterwards, just so the books look good.

They pull billions out of the company in profit, and then claim the company is broke and needs to distribute some losses socially. It's completely insane that we just allow this to happen in mass. I'm lucky I can choose my companies and I don't touch the big big corporations so it doesn't affect me, but we need to do something collectively fast.

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[–] Waldowal 181 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

As a Gen-Xer who's been beaten into believing you can't realistically "fight the man", I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.

[–] nandeEbisu 88 points 9 months ago

The housing market is fucked, economic mobility is fucked, the climate is fucked. They've already lost to the man, what else do they have to lose?

[–] CosmicCleric 53 points 9 months ago

As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you can’t realistically “fight the man”, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.

Seriously. Give them hell Gen-Z!

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[–] sneezymrmilo 151 points 9 months ago (19 children)

As a millennial, I honestly have a lot of respect for Gen Z. I feel like they are slowly but surely figuring out how to stick it to the man and generate awareness of how the big corporations are slimy scum and don't see employees as "People". Go Gen Z!

[–] Theharpyeagle 53 points 9 months ago

Honestly they've been incredible. They've been politically active since they were teens and they care more about work/life balance than any other generation before (anecdotally). They've been dealt a shit hand but I'm rooting for them.

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[–] Furbag 141 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.

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[–] [email protected] 124 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Funny how quickly and easily the media can turn "generations" against each other

[–] [email protected] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I don't care what the source is, if there's a Gen [insert whatever] or Millennials might be to blame for [insert whatever] I'm already at a -10 on the trust meter right out the gate.

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[–] [email protected] 101 points 9 months ago (7 children)

Influencer or not, however, those who stream videos of themselves being fired from their job risk facing repercussions, such as violating severance agreements, the BBC reported. Job termination videos can also backfire on those who post them if viewers find the post vindictive or unprofessional.

"Generally speaking, such moves are a double-edged sword. The literature on whistleblowers, a more extreme form of publicly sharing bad practices, shows that people get stigmatized for doing so," Ben Voyer, an ESCP Business School professor who founded the Gen Z Observatory, told Business Insider in a recent article.

"Generally, society doesn't reward people that engage in behaviors that some may see as a betrayal. Pushing such content online is a way to get moral support on the one hand, and a little revenge on the other hand," he said.

If you're confused about who to blame, remember that one side debates on whether they should purchase a mega yacht, or have a more reasonable "support" yacht trailing the main one for their helicopter/staff.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Not even Millennials see action against your employer as 'betrayal'. Company loyalty is dead, and this professor is out of touch.

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[–] Clent 38 points 9 months ago (4 children)

If the majority do it, it can no longer be extreme.

I'm enjoying the generational divide coming from Gen-Z.

Previous generations wanting to avoiding "burning bridges" only served corporate interests.

Workers need stop fearing our corporate overlords. We out number them.

They've manipulated the political process to shattered the social contract and must be held accountable.

I'm still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.

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[–] FlyingSquid 99 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad it's happening, but... fuck, why does it have to?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 9 months ago

Greed and they don't give a fuck about you. And it's going to keep happening, again and again, until we change it.

[–] Phegan 98 points 9 months ago

The kids are alright

[–] thesporkeffect 89 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict

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[–] [email protected] 89 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My favourite generation so far

[–] Wogi 61 points 9 months ago (12 children)

I've been hearing about how older generations always hate younger generations all my life. How I must be destined to grow in to some crochety old man by 40.

I gotta say these kids seem like they're headed in a pretty good direction, they're funny, they're not taking shit, frankly it seems like it's going pretty well.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 9 months ago (5 children)

I quit Lowe's a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the "HR" person typed what I was saying verbatim.

There's no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I love exit interviews.

P.s. Chris, you were the worst manager I’ve ever had. You’re a terrible human. That’s why the entire department left and got hired at another company… the one I went to. The entire department, Chris. I made that happen.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 9 months ago (6 children)

This is the first “TikTok trend” I’ve seen that doesn’t make me cringe

[–] rtxn 86 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
  1. The recent rise of sea shanties
  2. Detailed instructions for operating abandoned Russian military vehicles
  3. This
[–] glimse 35 points 9 months ago
  1. Girl Math

Funny as hell. The manosphere bros who took it seriously made it even funnier

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Gen Z is a better generation than mine

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends 87 points 9 months ago (2 children)

As a millennial, I'm proud. Every generation should strive to be better than the last.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“Growing tik toc trend” only gives one example that we’ve all already watched. Either it’s a lie about it being a trend or piss poor reporting.

[–] Etterra 68 points 9 months ago (7 children)

This is how right-wing idiots got trolled into believing that schools were getting litter boxes for furries.

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[–] friend_of_satan 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

This is the most punk rock thing I've seen folks do in a long time.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 9 months ago

“we can often tell within three months or less of a sales hire, even during the holidays, whether they're going to be successful or not”

Did not cancel their Christmas vacation, fire them immediately.

[–] fne8w2ah 45 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Social media-induced work reform incoming?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Word of advice, don’t give yourselves to corporations that pretend to be human. Don’t give yourselves to ANY corporation in fact. They’re trash, the idea is trash, they don’t care because they’re not paid to.

I have been working since I was 9 years old. I have never cared about a company and have always been a fuck you kind of guy to companies since I was a product of child labor.

I have managed businesses and they intentionally fuck over employment. It’s BAKED IN. Every manager that I know goes through being promoted and cutting off your old job friends. It’s a corporate tactic. Get the cool manager to lead and fuck over the employee because they trust them. It turns people into shit bags. And normalizes shitty people. I have watched it and left District managers in the cold several times. It’s hilarious to me because many companies are shit.

I have worked in several industries too. It’s all a scheme to shit on labor. And it’s been this way since before my dumbass parents time. They let it happen because they just “something something boot straps.” Fucking weak morons.

Don’t waste your time. Just do good enough and save your money so you can find something better to do.

Fuck corporations, especially the weirdos who run them. They were never intended to be around forever, the rich have just molested the system to their benefit. Don’t play their games. Record it and report it.

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