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[–] FlyingSquid 151 points 10 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, because it couldn't possibly be that Americans are opposed to genocide.

For fuck's sake, Pelosi. Witch hunts are supposed to be a Republican thing.

[–] Baines 39 points 10 months ago (5 children)

wouldn’t be the first time Russia has done something like this, that said, how about we stop supporting genocide and it won’t matter

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[–] Candelestine 22 points 10 months ago (9 children)

While it's all certainly Americans, and we don't like genocides, she is correct in assuming that Putin wants Trump to win, and this would be an effective way to further that goal.

Don't forget Putin was KGB.

I imagine it's more through social media manipulation and misinformation than FSB funding, I suppose I could be wrong. By way of example, though, how many times have you heard that white phosphorous is banned, even though that's not exactly true?

[–] takeda 11 points 10 months ago

FSB is using social media among other things. Active Measures is one of primary ways how they operated and they adapted it well to the Internet age.

Have you thought how come that antivaxx people also have very pro Russia anti EU, anti UN anti NATO views?

Covid was a great catalyst in spreading disinformation.

Same thing with far right people in US and Europe, how come their views are mostly pro Russia and how come they greatly overlap with antivaxx?

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres 145 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Imagine how out-of-touch you have to be to represent San Francisco and not realize sincere antiwar protesters exist.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Here is my completely nonpartisan hot take. We should pass a constitutional amendment that ties the maximum age to hold public office (including judges) to the Social Security "Normal Retirement Age" at the time of passing. That is currently 67 years old. You can do whatever you want past 67, but you can't hold public office.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you want them to make the retirements age 90? I’d rather not give those assholes a perverse incentive to reduce benefits.

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[–] Toneswirly 72 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but lets also investigate the House for financial ties to billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

...and Russia, probably.

And investigate both sides - Russia will support both extremes in any issue that causes unrest in Western democracies. So investigating only one side is a useful propaganda tool but kind of misses the mark.

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[–] Muyal 58 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Vietnam war all over

"Foreign agents are brainwashing our youth to be against the war"

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago (12 children)

"Hey guys, we need a surefire way to make our base stay home instead of vote when we have a literal fascist running who will end the Republic if he's allowed to win!"

Nancy: "Say no more fam, I got this."

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[–] TropicalDingdong 53 points 10 months ago

Man, these fuckers really fucking hate their base.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

She’s been woefully out of touch on a lot of things for at least a decade at this point

[–] FlyingSquid 35 points 10 months ago (2 children)

We've gotten to the point that America is like one of those sci-fi dystopia movies where the council of elders rules the nation, kept alive artificially while the people starve.

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[–] Anti_Face_Weapon 36 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You guys are getting paid!?

[–] ButtermilkBiscuit 13 points 10 months ago

Turns out you don't need to get paid to support Palestinians, you just need to not be a huge piece of shit!

Wild I know.

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[–] middlemanSI 33 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Anything to not have to stop a genocide.

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[–] agitatedpotato 30 points 10 months ago (4 children)

What an utter bitch. Your finances are the ones that should be investigated.

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[–] TokenBoomer 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wish I was getting paid to support Palestine.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

This cunt needs to go the fuck away.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Shouldn't we instead be investigating the politicians currently in office that we have a really good reason to believe have a monetary tie to Russia and have a mountain of evidence of being coerced or controlled by them due to said politicians' past actions (going to a secret meeting to Moscow on July 4th, ect)?

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Dividing the party sounds like a Russian ploy. Can we investigate her first?

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[–] Ensign_Crab 22 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Pelosi is just saying that opposition to genocide means you must be Russian, which is what I keep hearing from pro-genocide centrist Democrats on lemmy.

I don't get why those same centrists are turning on her.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Those stupid fucks really want to lose the election

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Nearly every Republican will vote for Trump. Meanwhile, the Democrats are notoriously fickle already, and have to convince enough independents to vote for them, and they're doing everything in their power to alienate people in both camps.

Typical establishment hubris. The other side supports fascism, so we dare you not to vote for us, or just the assumption that enough people support them out of the gate to win (like Hillary Clinton). And we are fucked by the two party system again.

[–] paddirn 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not that I think she has ties to Russia, but really the FBI needs to be investigating members of Congress for ties to Russia.

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[–] Jomega 17 points 10 months ago
[–] CharlesDarwin 16 points 10 months ago

If the cons want to understand (ah, who am I kidding, they don't want to understand anything) why many of us in the reality-based community chuckle about the idea of Pelosi even being half the liberal they seem to think she is...they might take a closer look here.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Can they also investigate her insider trading?

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 12 points 10 months ago

Shouldn't we also investigate pro-Israel defenders for Financial Ties to Defense Contractors?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I need someone to ely5 how to get to this conclusion.

"For them to call for a ceasefire is Mr. Putin's message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see”

How? What does he gain from it?

I bet he loves how she just added fuel to more devision.

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[–] Thormjolnir 11 points 10 months ago (9 children)

As a liberal, peolsi is sham lol anyone not pro Palestine is just evil

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

“Disinformation” has become to the left, what “fake news” is to the right - a cudgel to deflect dissent or crush differing options as false or astroturfed, and therefore not even worth discussion to dismiss

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's cute that you think Pelosi is "left-wing". Cute, but sad.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

She’s not (by global nor US standards) but she did run the ‘left wing’ party in Congress for 20 years. So they certainly think she is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So this November Americans will be able to choose between literally a Nazi and someone who strongly supports genocide and treats anyone who doesn't support it as a traitor.

Good luck with that

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