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I'm glad he survived. His life should be full in quantity and empty of quality.
78 seems like a pretty full quantity if you ask me.
but also because him dying doesn't solve the problem. people forget that he's actually unpopular. him getting replaced would benefit the party. and the real problem is the entire fascist party. their agenda won't change with TFG dying.
Long term it would help the party. In the short term it would hurt them. I expect a LOT of infighting is gonna happen once Trump is gone.
Huh? Yeah, he's unpopular but voter turnout is such arse, that there is rarely a blowout capable of preventing electors from playing silly buggers with counts.
If he's dead, who inherits his mantle and has a likely shot at getting enough popular votes that US fascists can pretend they won but were narrowly cheated?
the problem is how unpopular Biden is right now
No No you’re getting it wrong, Trump is the thing that gives that whole fascist movement its structure. Taking him out of the game is akin to turning the light on in a room full of cockroaches
that's wishful thinking tbh
Have to disagree. The “if I had a Time Machine I’d go back and kill Hitler” trope is there for a reason. Once the charismatic leader is gone, the movement will crumble in short time.
but Hitler is gone, and fascism is surging around the world, and has been steadily gaining since WW2.
also Hitler and TFG are not in the same situation. one brought about Nazism, the other didn't. the republican party was fascist before him, and will be after him.
he didn't make them fascists, he just emboldened them to be more brazen and direct about it because he proved there are no safeguards or real consequences to literally be against democracy in the US. him dying won't change that. once the door is unlocked, destroying the key won't lock it back.
There was a 80 year break after AH was gone… And fascism is surging because Putin was and still is able to use the internet to do what Goebbels did for the Nazis. He’s the actual leader of the new fascist movement, Trump just hopped on his bandwagon. The people who feel emboldened by fascist leaders are always there, but they only become a problem when they can group behind “their guy”. So if that guy is gone, they go back to being passive fascists. Of course it would be better to have none such people around, but thinking pragmatically, that’s not an option, we first need to get back to the baseline by taking down the leader.
i don't know how old you are, but I'm guessing you're young because there was no 80 year break.
there wasn't any break.
as i said, Hitler lost the war but fascism didn't. the US became more and more of a fascist country. police state, corporate power, mass incarceration, mass surveillance, invasions and endless wars...
there has been some progress too, but it has always been outpaced by fascism. and corporate power always grew. fascism isn't just when a bitch baby loser screams into a mic.
sorry i assumed you were young. you just weren't paying attention.
i guess you didn't find any arguments to come back with so you instead resorted to calling me a tankie. any evidence to that would be welcome, otherwise you should just educate yourself on what fascism is, because as i said, it's not just about some dude screaming into a microphone.
The evidence is that you see fascism everywhere, all the time. That’s the tankie creed.
i see fascism where there's fascism. just because you were asleep for 40 years doesn't mean there was none.
Sure. You’re the type of person who calls someone a fascist if they ask you nicely to turn down your blaring music at 3am.
yeah, that's what i said. the number of complaints against me blaring my music at 3am have been steadily rising since WW2.
Glad we were able to find common ground
Yeah, Trump is a stupid target and this is bad timing. Now if someone had gone after the Supreme Court a year or three ago, that would've been a good thing. Even now it might still be. But Trump? Terrible choice of targets. He's...his relevance has already happened. It's too late for his death to be positive in any significant way.
Hell, I suspect that it might boost the Republican candidate, whoever is selected to replace him, unless they wind up having a really nasty fight where various supporters get extremely entrenched against each other. But that's not likely - Republicans are very tribalist, once they select a candidate, most of them are going to support him, regardless of how badly they were speaking of him five minutes ago when they were in full support of his opponent.
Yeah, but imagine if they retaliate and assassinate Biden? Wouldn't that be... interesting.
I'm considering what the impact would be on the election if it were Harris running, for example
Biden has a clear successor. Trump doesn't. The assassination of a head of state would draw sympathy worldwide. The state funeral would be huge. Right now, Trump is still just some politician running for office.
I fucking hate this meta but we literally are at the point where Joe Biden should seriously consider faking his own death.
This should be an option for all politicians. You can fake your own death, then you get put in to Witness Protection and can retire to a quiet, peaceful life on a ranch in Wyoming. Quit without having to deal with slack from party leaders.
A great system for escaping war crimes.
did you miss the part where they have to live in Wyoming
I drove through Wyoming once and it was all grass and prairie dust on the side of the road except for a sign that said "Little America 100 miles" and further advertising every 20 miles until one that said "next exit".
So what is the "Little America" they hyped up? It's a rest stop with a gift shop and a Sinclair fuel station 🥴
Haha, we have some signs like that here advertising a cave (tourist attraction in an area with little else).
Not needed. They already escape war crimes.
The first choice for me would obviously be to send them to the Hague, but we gotta realise that we can't always get what we want 100% of the time, so I think quiet retirement is better than staying in power.
Kind of hard considering you can't interact with literally anyone without them going "hey, aren't you joe biden?"
"No, man. I'm Edward Schmitt, but I get told that a lot, so I took up doing Biden impersonations. Wanna see some? Sad what happened to the real Biden though."
i am not convinced yet that trump didn't just fake his own assassination attempt. given the footage going around, it looks extremely fakeable.
An actual shot to the ear would be way too risky for a false flag. But if it turns out to be true that the ear injury was from teleprompter shrapnel instead of a bullet, that might be a different story.
Nobody cares about Biden. Especially now. It is, technically, a Republican advantage if Biden stays in the race as the official Democrat candidate.
He's always enjoyed that. He's clearly not a person of quality. Fuck the orange demon
Yeah he should just rot and die alone in prison where he belongs.