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Trump threatens to cut off aid to Ukraine 'prior to taking the White House as president-elect'
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this post was submitted on 17 Jun 2024
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What really keeps me up at night is wondering what's next? What comes after tRump? Is there an end in sight? Will these Maga morons keep getting dumber/more extreme? I think so.
There is no end if our government doesn't start taking these christian nationalists as a serious threat. Not to worry, three generations as a theocracy will rip this entire nation to threads.
What's scarier is; it might not. It might just radically alter the culture to being radically restrictive to a new theocratic orthodoxy. Megachurches combining to create new variants on the bible and its interpretation. A new set of "intellectuals" re-writing the constitution under divine providence. A new geopolitics, corporate structures, and large companies willing to go along with it.
Please stop writing nightmares for me to read, thank you. /s
I'm glad I don't live in the United state's but what worries me is if this happens and they end up going to war with other countries
If you want a preview, check out Handmaid’s Tale.
I am convinced that the Nationalist Christians view both the book and the Hulu series as an aspirational goal instead of a cautionary tale.
The preview is Nazi Germany, multiple degrees larger, and in black and yellow. We have real world examples of these things.
It won’t matter if Trump wins. Plans to become a dictator aside, he’s going to help Netanyahu eradicate Palestine while withdrawing support from Ukraine, Taiwan, and the Philippines in the name of isolationism.
He’s going to start WWIII by letting Putin and Xi do whatever they want.
I see. Like “it doesn’t matter if Trump wins.” That’s not what I meant, but I totally see how it’s confusing.
My biggest concern is that Trump would win by Democratic voter abstentions. With 33 Senate seats on the November ballot, Republicans could take full control of the White House and Congress with this election.
The real issue is these aren't Trump's plans, they're plans with their own life within the Republican party and the system at large already.
The Heritage Foundation (which was founded by White Supremacist adjacent people) are behind Project 2025 (which is aimed at enacting Unitary Executive Theory, aka dictatorship) - come up with a plan EVERY election cycle, and they don't throw away their old aims and plans, they reworked them and fold them into the next attempt.
So I think your prediction is correct, the MAGA republican problem won't go away, it will just keep folding into its self.
These people are seriously fucking scary. Reading roman history with all it's conspiracies, government takeovers etc used to seem like fiction, a relic of the past. But no, we exist on a planet where rich old people use their money and power to manipulate and oppress the masses for their own gain. And there's no solution. How do you fight these people when they've weaponized ignorance and convinced a signification portion of their voter base to vote against their own interests?
Then that means the U.S. will go fascist after Biden's second term.
Unless there are laws against NAZIs and gerrymandering in the states, it's only a question of time.
After tRump is gone there will be an endless supply of copycat wannabe dictators trying to one up the sHitler himself.
You don’t even need to look too far ahead in future or debate hypotheticals - just look at the language and demeanor of many of republican candidates like Kari Lame, Marge Traitor, Lauren Gropert, that Nazi guy running for NC governor, and many many more to list here.
Seems like it's almost time to kill Nazis again like ww2
The great flaw in the fascist plans leading to WW2 wasn't a military error.
It was not being America or Russia.
They're looking to fix those oversights.
Don't forget, the goal of Hitler was a united Europe. Now that Europe is united, it's turning far right in most countries. Hitler just had the formula all backwards. Now with Russia being a dictatorial regime and Trump being a Putin lover, Biden is the one to stop the US from being a Russian puppet state. This world is so fucked up right now. Putin wants to restore the Soviet Union and the American Republicans are all for it.
Yeah, the Soviet Union, but with all the lip service to communism replaced by actual capitalism.
Well, not really. The regime is a totalitarian dictatorship, the system is extremely corrupt with all the oligarchs. So it's not really capitalism. Communism is replaced by nationalism. Not really nazism, as the nazies had a very social system (only national). Putin wants the old borders of the Soviet Union back, not socialism.
That's what I wrote …
But he also doesn't want capitalism but totalitarianism.
Capitalism doesn't need free market to exist. In fact, capitalism has nothing to do with free markets, only with ownership of the means of production.
Fair point!
I knew they were going off the rails for decades, but when I saw them stroking themselves to shirtless Putin on horseback while saying Obama was "weak" because "mom jeans", I knew they were just beyond righting themselves.
Yeah but honestly, the way the polls are looking right now, so is the US.
Relatively early on (can't remember the date) Himmler gave a somewhat notorious speech about eventually recruiting far flung "true Aryans" from the US into the SS, much like they eventually did from several other countries.
Luckily history played out a bit differently.
The real problem is when these MAGA morons get smarter and more extreme.
The MAGA morons are the tools used by the far right leaders to get their way. Many of them are just terrified due to an intense ignorance and if they got smarter we might actually be doing ok.
Or we could remove the financial incentives in our political system. That'd be a good start and a lot more likely to happen than making people smarter. Let's not try to change people, let's instead stop monied interests' ability to mass manipulate people with fear into voting against their own interests.
Well that’s the thing, the base would be smart enough to elect those who would actually want to do those things instead of the current gaggle of goons.
Wouldn’t they just stop being maga morons?
No. They won't. The United States has always had a taste for authoritarianism. There's a burning desire for people that serve in these not so United States, and everyone thinks that they deserve to be served and don't give two shits about their fellow Americans. It isn't stupidity that guides these people. It's assholery, and the desire to lord it over other people. Don't ascribe to incompetence what should be ascribed properly to malice where MAGA is concerned.
Depends on how they progress. Smart doesn't necessarily mean good.
They all act like morons, but especially for the ones on top, it becomes a question of whether they came into power by being just the right type of stupid; or are they just good at behaving like an idiot because that's an effective way to manipulate actual idiots?
We have a tendency to be dismissive of them as -just- being stupid, but every time we give them the village-idiot pass, we're making their strategy that much more successful.
Look at the harm Trump has caused - he wouldn't get away with a tenth of what he's done if he acted competently.
...honestly it's basically the Darth Jar Jar fan theory - you can get away with doing all kinds of evil if you just act like an idiot while you do it.
That's why we have to oppose them. It's exhausting, but it's important and the alternative is more, worse Trumps.
So take a break if you need to, practice self-care. And then let's all vote, volunteer, and donate to make the world better. Please, it's that important...
What's sad is that we are quite possibly on the precipice on making some very big leaps forward, as humanity. I'm talking extreme leaps, ones that would hopefully invalidate the backward rubes and their positions - leaps that might even effectively fix their bad thinking.
But these assclowns might have us completely fumble at the goal line.
I’m sure they will, but will another Maga Supreme ooze into their center? Hopefully if they don’t find another Grand Cheetoh, they’ll just degenerate into a scattering of loonies we can ignore