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OP doesn't seem to care to answer this question, so other people are trying to fill in answers as best they can.

I like mozz's answer. The Hard Left is an amorphous concept that depends on the individual and their opinion in general. For some of us, they are the most progressive end of the left-right axis, motivated by working to protect the most disadvantaged in society. Many of these look at Project 2025 and the Trump administration of 2017 through 2020 and come to the conclusion that their priorities are best served with Biden in office and Trump on the sidelines, but quite a few get blinded by the Gaza situation and think that somehow letting Trump burn it all down will help them politically. Unfortunately, with how divided American society is, it won't take many people voting third party or staying home, especially in Swing States, to swing the election Trump's way.

Of course, there are people who think that the Hard Left is anyone left of Atilla the Hun, or at least anyone left of the individual in question. OP peaced out so we're left speculating on them, but I suspect from their wording, the Hard Left is anyone left of themselves. And thus, the OP is being clued in that the Hard Left is NOT blindly voting like Biden like the Hard Right is blindly voting for Trump. Maybe it'll be an eye-opening experience. Sorry, I can't wave a magic wand and make OP answer this, though. That would be nice.

You miss DAMunzy's point.

Every day we get hard lefties saying they'd rather vote third party, stay home, or even vote Trump because Biden didn't get them the shiny golden alicorn that farts rainbows that they swear they were promised. All it would take is for enough of them to vote Jill Stein or RFJ Jr. (who isn't very leftie when you look closely at him) and Team Pepe can steal the election. Biden has to appeal to both the moderates AND the hard left, an impossible proposition, while trying to make the point that both moderates and hard-lefties lose and lose hard if Team Nazi Frog gets into office.

Irony is trying to hold Lemmy posters accountable for exaggeration while exaggerating yourself.

Nowhere do I see any accusation that Boebert was having any form of sex in the theatre. We call it as we see it -- she was groping her date while he groped her, in a theatre with kids in it, during a family presentation, after accusing gays of immoral behaviour. We're not calling her out for her inappropriate behaviour. We're calling her out for her hypocrisy of calling others out for their inappropriate behaviour.

What you're doing here is concern trolling. We hear your concerns. We are not doing what you're accusing us of doing. You're attempting to distract the conversation from the fact that Boebert got felt up during a family event while calling out LGBTQ+ folks for 'sexual deviancy'. We're not having it. Piss off with that nonsense.

Let's just say for a moment you're right and Democrats increase harm. Sure, they take Korporate Kampaign Kash (the other KKK), and are always about the donor class, and we can sure hit them on this. They're feckless, always finding reasons we couldn't POSSIBLY do Left-Wing priorities, and yeah, I'm pissed about how many times Manchin Lucy-Yanked the football on us this last term. They'd rather please the donor class than us, because, well, frankly, I can't pay for an all-expenses paid junket to exotic places with exotic food and exotic people quite the same way as Mr. Gates and Mr. Dimon and Mr. Bezos and Mr. Musk can. It pisses me off that I have to sit so far back on the table while all the big names get to wine and dine President Biden and the Democratic Party, while I get a few scraps from the table.

We'll ignore the fact that the scraps I have gotten have finally made it so I can quit schooling and realistically pay my Student Loans now that it's capped to 5% of your disposable income, and that I only have to pay that for 10 years rather than 25 or more because of PSLF. We'll ignore the fact that I got quick and free access to a vaccine that ended COVID as a threat to me, and that I am able to work from home because my (Democratic) governor said 'we're out of the business of commercial real-estate. Everyone, your home is your office now.' Between the vaccine and the not having to crowd on public transit with people who are frankly nasty, I haven't gotten sick more often than once a year. But hey, the Dems increase harm according to you, so let's go with that. Why trust my lying eyes eh?

OK. The Democrats are the equivalent of slow-driving a car towards a cliff. The Republicans? They have a plan for what they want to do. What does it include?

• Fire Federal employees who refuse to implement Trump's conservative manifesto for the USA.
• End FBI attempts to police misinformation (oh, sorry, "Speech").
• Ban abortion pills federally.
• Enforce Comstock Act to ban the mailing of abortion pills.
• Exclude abortion coverage from Medicade
• Ban unfriendly news media from the White House press pool.
• Enforce unitary executive theory practices.
• Schedule F - Replace tens of thousands of career bureaucrats with hand-picked conservative plants, which will require a similar overreach by the next Democrat, assuming we are allowed to pick one as POTUS, to undo.
• Reverse liberal policies.
• Removing references to abortions.
• Defunding clinics that provide abortion services
• Defund Dept of Justice and FBI
• Target Political foes and unfriendly media orgs.
• Restrict LGBTQ+ rights.
• Rollback of climate policies.
• Force Conservative policies on us
• "Family Values"
• "Christian Values"
• "Traditional Gender Roles"

So, when I say the Democrats are slow-driving the car towards the cliff, if you let the Republicans behind the wheel, they're gonna stomp on the gas as hard as they can, and they're gonna rocket that sucker off the edge.

It may suck to you having to make this choice, but it's what America offers. There are no other options in the USA thanks to our antiquated system of electing representatives. Pick the slow choice, or the fast choice will rocket you and everyone else off right...fucking...now.

PS: in case it's not clear, I disagree with the heart of your argument, but for the sake of pointing out that even under your own assumptions, it's better to vote D than R, I entertained it long enough to explain why you're a fucking moron for pushing not to vote for Dems.

An interesting thought exercise. What if Ontario used Proportional Representation. Ford would have gotten 76 seats, but he'd have seen an Ontario Parliament that was 187 or 188 seats. Of these:

• The NDP would have gotten another 22 seats, in addition to their 40 won seats, for 62 total seats.
• The Liberals would have gotten another 29 seats, in addition to their 7 won seats, for 36 total seats.
• The Greens would have gotten 7 additional seats, plus their 1 won seat, for a total of 8 seats.
• 5 seats would have to be allocated between the NDP, Liberals, and Greens since the Progressive Conservatives shouldn't be entitled to more than 40.5% of the seats as they got 40.5% of the vote.

We'd have to amend the US constitution to make this happen here, but I think you guys could just do it with a law there. But this is what ifs and coulda-bens. The as-is shows clearly why we don't want to import your political system here. Democrats would never win an election again if we split our votes like Ontarians split theirs...

Your election system allowed Doug Ford to win the Premiership of Ontario with 2.3 million votes, despite the NDP winning 1.9 million votes and the Liberal party winning 1.1 million votes. In fact, Ford won Ontario with a net margin of victory of -991,722 votes. That is to say, he lost the popular vote by almost a million votes, and still win the majority of seats. Here's a few highlights

8 ridings went for the Progressive Conservatives in a margin narrower than 1000. These are:

• Ottawa West - Nepean (175 MoV, 16.4k NDP, 14.8k Lib)
• Brantford - Brant (635 MoV, 23.8k NDP, 5.6k Lib)
• Brampton West (490 MoV, 14.5k NDP, 7.0k Lib)
• Sault Ste. Marie (414 MoV, 13.1k NDP, 3.2k Lib)
• Kitchener-Conestoga (686 MoV, 16.3 NDP, 6.0k Lib)
• Kitchener South - Hespeler (770 MoV, 15.7k NDP, 6.3k Lib)
• Eglinton-Lawrence (957 MoV, 9.0k NDP, 19.0k Lib)
• Scarborough-Rouge Park (963 MoV, 15.3k NDP, 8.8k Lib)

Had less than 1000 people in each of these ridings from the smaller left wing party given their votes to the larger left-wing party, 8 seats would have been taken from the Progressive Conservatives (leaving them with 68 seats), and the NDP would have gained 7 seats (47) and the Libs would have gained 1 (going up to 8).

This is the same for another 23 ridings, but with a larger margin of victory. These ridings were nevertheless won by fewer votes than were sent to the smaller left-wing party. If we subtract these 23 seats, the PCs would have been down to 45 seats, enough for the NDP to have more seats before we allocate these 23 seats between the Libs, NDP, and Greens.

I like a lot of things about Canada, but I don't like this fact about your country, and I don't want it imported into the United States. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania went to Trump in 2016 not because more people voted for Trump's policies than against them, but because enough people bought the bullshit that Clinton was corrupt and no better than Trump and voted third party or stayed home. Had the Stein voters used a bit of common sense and rethought their votes, we could have avoided 4 years of utter shitshow here. Canadian politics won't help us here. All we need to do is look at your province of Ontario and see that clear as day.

No. They won't. The United States has always had a taste for authoritarianism. There's a burning desire for people that serve in these not so United States, and everyone thinks that they deserve to be served and don't give two shits about their fellow Americans. It isn't stupidity that guides these people. It's assholery, and the desire to lord it over other people. Don't ascribe to incompetence what should be ascribed properly to malice where MAGA is concerned.

And it's a joke that has been played on Americans since forever. There's a way out of it, but it's not easy, and you better bet your ass that BOTH parties will fight to keep the status quo. If you want change, you need to do the following things.

1. Vote for Biden because if Trump wins, he has plans to take over.
2. Push immediately after the election for Ranked Choice Voting.
3. Unless and until 2 is achieved, get your guys and gals running as Democrats and vote for them in the Primaries, then vote for the Republican in the general. The GQP showed how well that works as Team Pepe is getting exactly what they want.

It is. Really, it is. Just look at what Trump did to everything you supposedly care about from 2017 through 2020. I said in 2020 that had we elected Hillary Clinton POTUS, we'd at least not have backslid as hard as we did from 2017 to 2020. But people had to express their displeasure at Hillary, and stayed home or voted Third Party, and from 2017 until 2020, they got what they voted for, hard, without lube.

It's the same thing now in 2024. Biden HAS made concrete gains in areas I'm interested in, ranging from investing in green energy, pushing for domestic chip production, and standing up for minority rights in all areas. Trump plans on reversing all of that and then some with his Project 2025. Stay home and get Project 2025.

Got called out for your bullshit here, I see. Biden is spreading it around, as other posters have said, touring this massive country of 300+ million fucking people as best as one man possibly can. And while I'm not thrilled with everything he's done, I'm still voting for him. Why? Because it's the best thing to do. I should do it. And so should you. Fuck off with the bullshit already. November is a choice between two visions for America. One gets us in line with other countries by reining in Student Loan payments, improving our infrastructure, and generally making progress fast enough to affect us in this lifetime, while not giving the Right extra motivation to go hate-vote our guys and gals out, and the Centre more motivation to stay home, vote third party, or even join the Right in voting our guys and gals out. The other...is fucking Project 2025. Go look that shit up if you don't know about it. Apparently 2/3rds of the country doesn't realise how much of a threat it really is.

What makes you think anyone is upset? Ridicule comes not from people being upset about something, but thinking that this is the dumbest thing they've seen in quite a while. Getting ridicule should tell you you need to be a bit more introspective about what you're doing. And since this is Trump we're talking about here, we know that shithead isn't going to be introspective about anything, so we just point out the irony that Trump claims he has "very strong support, so very strong" with the Black community, but can't seem to find a single Black person to put in his photos of the event.

One of the two will be President in 2025. And I just don't buy the 'Biden is slow because he's older.' In fact, I'm not voting against Trump exclusively. I am actually voting for Biden, and that link is why you should as well.