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“They are suing me in order to lie to them. I’m sorry, I can’t do it,” he said.

Rudy Giuliani doubled down on his election-related allegations Monday, just days after two Georgia election workers won millions in a defamation lawsuit against him and hours after they filed another suit against him.

The former New York mayor must pay $148 million in damages to election workers Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shaye Moss as a result of their emotional distress following Giuliani’s accusations that the two were manipulating ballots in 2020. The second lawsuit sought to keep him from repeating the debunked claims at the heart of the first case.

In a rambling interview with Newsmax’s Rob Schmitt, Giuliani blasted the verdict, describing the court as a “fascist system run by the Biden regime.”

Giuliani told Schmitt that he still believes the allegations to be true, but that they “want me to lie.”

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[–] jordanlund 124 points 11 months ago (3 children)

“If I showed you the evidence right now … people would see that what I said was absolutely true and there’s support for it.”

The time to show exonerating evidence was BEFORE he got ordered to pay $148 million...

Or is he saving it for the criminal trial and just doesn't want to play his hand early?

[–] JJROKCZ 91 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Is the evidence in the room with us now Rudy?

[–] Bdtrngl 36 points 11 months ago

Show us on the doll where the evidence touched you Rudy.

[–] TechyDad 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

His girlfriend has the evidence. You wouldn't know her. She goes to another school.

[–] AbidanYre 12 points 11 months ago

In ~~Russia~~ Canada.

[–] geekworking 38 points 11 months ago

People who have exonerating evidence show it, and everything goes away without any civil or criminal trials.

People who have only bullshit lose trials and get criminal charges because all they have are lies. Their only play is to keep doubling down on the lies.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can’t see how waiting would help.

[–] jordanlund 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Revealing the evidence in a civil case would show the prosecuters in the criminal case what his strategy is and let them work around it sooner than they would be able to otherwise.

I think Grampy Rudy is playing the long game, knowing that's he's going to dodge paying a penny to anyone, but that the real strategy is "stay out of jail."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (8 children)

But he claims it totally exonerates him, in which case they would not even bring a criminal trial.

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[–] Mcdolan 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I mean sure that might buy him some time, but I was under the impression that you can't just show new evidence during a trial that you had before the trial. Isn't all evidence shared between parties before setting foot in the court room?

The much simpler explanation I think is he's talking out his ass and praying for a dictator Trump to save him.

[–] jordanlund 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It is, during the discovery process, but there's no reason to let the prosecution in on it before discovery and who knows when that will happen?

Leaking the info in a civil case might have saved him some money, but may end up hurting the criminal case.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Do any of us believe said evidence exists?

In the context of this particular case, I'm not sure this type strategy is actually relevant. How many cases that were filed after that election got dismissed with prejudice for failing to provide any actual evidence? It didn't exist then, it doesn't exist now.

[–] jordanlund 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I personally don't because of the pattern of behavior in the Trump orbit...

"We sent the best investigators to Hawaii and you just wait until you see what they uncovered at our big press conference next Tuesday!"

(Next Tuesday) "Crickets."

"Yeah, well, we sent Rudy Giuliani to Ukraine and you just wait until you see what he uncovered at our big press conference next Tuesday!"

(Next Tuesday) "Crickets."

"Yeah, well, we sent the Cyber Ninjas to Arizona and you just wait until you see what they uncovered at our big press conference next Tuesday!"

(Next Tuesday) "Crickets."

[–] TechyDad 5 points 11 months ago

That last one actually did come back with a report - that said little to no fraud took place. They spent millions of dollars and used some shady practices with the ballots, but even they couldn't find anything.

[–] Mcdolan 5 points 11 months ago

I'm just failing to come up with any scenarios where that'd be helpful other than some Q conspiracies being true or something. But IANAL..

[–] oDDmON 72 points 11 months ago

In a rambling interview with Newsmax…

^ That’s all ya need to know.

Rudy has been assimilated by the mother of all reality distortion fields and having pandered once seems incapable now of stopping.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (1 children)

'unfazed' is a weird way to spell senile

[–] snek 25 points 11 months ago

He might be senile, he might also just be insane like that. Remember this? https://movieweb.com/borat-subsequent-moviefilm-giuliani-scene-not-faked/

[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And people once thought this cunt would be president someday

He topped out at "drunk lecher who ruined his reputation so he could cup Trump's balls".

[–] Riccosuave 6 points 11 months ago

Don't forget greasing up his 2" punisher with leaky hair dye before felating him to completion in exchange for using donations from Trump's dumb-fuck followers to pay his legal fees.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)

He doesn't have $148M and he's hidden his assets in a bullshit nonprofit. Can a civil defamation and libel/slander suit do anything but try to extract more money? At this point he's sitting where Alex Jones is: as destitute as the courts can legally make them. More debt won't mean anything. He no longer has to fear punishment be cause the only punishment is meaningless.

I don't want there to be debtors prison nor do I want to curtail free speech, so I'm unsure what other measures can be taken.

[–] 800XL 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wait, how do l startup a bullshit non-profit and put what little I have there out of the grubby hands of debtors and shit?

[–] CosmicTurtle 10 points 11 months ago

I actually looked into something similar: making a corporation and basically making my corporate entity take on all liabilities while assets remain in a separate holding company.

This was mostly a thought/legal experiment with the goal of using the very cushy corporate precedents to shield me from things like accidents, etc. while allowing me to benefit from zero taxes, etc. Basically if something happened to me like a multimillion dollar court case, I'd dissolve the first entity, taking all its liabilities with it, and then set up a second subsidiarity. This is something most corporations do today.

The TL;DR is that while it's possible, it takes up a lot of time and resources and will likely need to hire an accountant to keep it all straight.

The reason why companies and rich people do this is because they have the resources and incentive. The only incentive I'd have is to save a bit on taxes and push off some risk. But not enough that it'd be worth hiring a full time accountant.

[–] baldingpudenda 4 points 11 months ago

Anyone can do it, but it's gonna cost what little you have.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Corrupt old fuck who will probably have to hide where he will be buried over fears it will be vandalized for sure.

They’re going to have to bury these shitty weirdos on the moon LOL

[–] RattlerSix 4 points 11 months ago

Just flush them twice so they don't float back up

[–] andrewta 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Launch them to Pluto. It's out of site, out of mind and not even a planet anymore.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Don't waste the resources trying to send some ashes to a small speck far from earth.

Just launch em straight into the sun, big target and a perfect alternative for where they should go if it existed. The burning fires of hell.

[–] Anarch157a 4 points 11 months ago

Nah. Too expensive, it would cost hundreds of millions that could be used feeding and housing the poor. Just dump the whole body on an active volcano. Same fiery end and it's possible to stream the event to the whole world.

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[–] Wermhatswormhat 4 points 11 months ago

While I agree with you, it’s Out of “sight”

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seems like he's betting that the fascist will win and favor him with a pardon.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago

He's betting on staying in court until he dies .... which isn't long now given his age. He'll just keep fighting, knowing that no one will ever win.

Trump uses the same tactic .... all these old farts only have one ace in the cards - AGE - and they know that if they just keep fighting, they'll eventually pass, they would have had whatever bit of wealth and freedom for the remainder of their lives, and their opponents will get nothing except wasting their time in court.

The people prosecuting them are saints in my books ... because if it weren't for people like them, people like Giuliani and Trump would have more freedom to wreak all kinds of other havoc instead. The prosecutors are occupying these ugly dragons to keep them from wandering around and destroying things elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

How many repeat trials do you need in the US to end up behind bars?

[–] blanketswithsmallpox 6 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately the kind where civil becomes criminal probably.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well yeah, either Trump is reelected and he's saved or Trump loses and he's doomed. There's no middle ground for him anymore lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Trump can't pardon $150 million even if they all escape prison.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Trump could do literally anything he wants and his fascist Supreme Court will defend him.

Laws aren't real. They're just rules we all agree to follow, and those rules can change.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Yip, if Trump is elected again, current laws won't matter anymore.

[–] anewbeginning 10 points 11 months ago

Don’t trust rule of law to survive a second trump presidency.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I bet Trump's gonna win. There's still so many lunatics in red states.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Those states were never in question, though. Of course Hickedickle Alabama or Idaho are going to vote for a Republican, whoever it is. As usual the actual election is between the states that are close (so called 'purple'... I actually hate this color code the media thought of).

[–] agent_flounder 6 points 11 months ago

[0] days since last defamation by Rudy

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

How long can these assholes possibly live?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

In for a penny, in for £116 million.

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