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[–] [email protected] 104 points 11 months ago (4 children)

So they say they don't perform autopsies, and the warden was surprised they wanted the body. Either they're lying about the autopsy or there's some sick fuck just cutting up bodies and taking parts as souvenirs.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 11 months ago

Or the warden got a nice chunk of change for that man's heart.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago

I'd wager that they're selling organs to medical schools and expecting zero repercussions.

[–] grue 31 points 11 months ago

Or the cause of death was somehow incriminating and involved the heart, so they got rid of it to destroy evidence.

[–] snausagesinablanket 12 points 10 months ago

some sick fuck just cutting up bodies and ~~taking parts as souvenirs~~ selling them for big money.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Brandon Clay Dotson was found dead at Ventress Correctional Facility on November 16. It wasn’t immediately clear what charge Dotson was serving time for.

It wasn’t immediately clear what charge Dotson was serving time for.

We don't know what he did, but he died in prison over it.

This is fucking terrifying.

[–] Jackcooper 24 points 10 months ago

https://www.moultonadvertiser.com/news/article_a77d0b88-9549-11ee-a04b-3b8f2ec3576f.html

Found a better article. It was a burglary charge. Sounds like he was killed by another inmate.

[–] thorbot 7 points 10 months ago

It wasn't immediately clear because the journalist is lazy. The scary shit is that dude's heart was removed

[–] [email protected] 66 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What the fuck? The headline sounds strange, but the article is so absurd I would find it a bit over the top if it was a movie.

WTF is going on in those prisons?

[–] JJROKCZ 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Chinese prisons get away with it so now ours are trying a bit of organ harvesting. Not like they need them anymore anyway right?

[–] themeatbridge 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

There's zero chance this guy's heart was transplanted. Heart donations require minimal warm ischemic time. No way they found him dead and decided to steal his heart, and if they forcibly removed his heart for transplant, the surgical signs would make that obvious.

China gets away with it because it's a state sanctioned program. The evidence is destroyed and families get back ashes.

It's far more likely they did an autopsy and then lost or kept the heart for some other reason. Maybe he was stabbed in the heart and they want to cover it up. If I had to guess, I'd say they were just grossly negligent and lost it. They returned the body in a state of decomposition. That's egregious enough without imagining a shady cabal of prison heart transplant doctors.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Maybe if you would actually read the article

 In addition to prison officials, the lawsuit names the UAB Health System as defendants. The suit claims UAB’s School of Medicine obtained Dotson’s heart, and details a 2018 incident where medical students “noticed that a disproportionate number of the specimens they encountered during their medical training originated from individuals who had died in prison custody within the Alabama Department of Corrections.”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does that mean that's what actually happened or is that just what the family is accusing them of in the suit

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Well, I suspect they have some evidence if they are naming the institution in the lawsuit.

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[–] GONADS125 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Not condoning this by any means, but everyone ought to be an organ donor. I find the people who refuse on the grounds of "I don't like the idea of my organs being harvested.." are demonstrating insufferable selfishness. Multiple lives can be saved from one donor. And you'll be dead anyway! You won't care then...

Especially all bikers should be mandatory organ donors.

[–] JJROKCZ 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Fully agree and am an organ donee since I won’t be needing them anyhow. I know your agreed with me but I’ll say it again for others who might be confused.

The issue is consent here, I know a lot of people don’t understand that word but the issue is he nor his family said they could have the heart, but the heart was taken anyway.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And I bet someone made money from it, too. It wasn't just to save someone's life.

[–] GONADS125 1 points 11 months ago

I specifically said I wasn't justifying what happened here. My point was just an aside on the importance of organ donation.

I don't condone stealing people's organs. What happened here was clearly fucked up.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Eh, respecting peoples' bodily autonomy isn't that difficult. Not doing so causes way more problems in the world so far as I see it.

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[–] Illuminostro 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] Mango 10 points 11 months ago

The law isn't the bunch of nice guys they convince you of with their controlled conditions.

[–] reversebananimals 1 points 10 months ago

A bunch of good ol boys trying their darndest to re-live the "good old days" of slavery.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like they are modern day resurrectionists for the local med school. I really hope the FDA takes a closer look at the med school's procurement and documentation of human specimens.

[–] girlfreddy 9 points 11 months ago

I'd say every for-profit prison should be put under a microscope to find all the shit they do.

But that will never happen 'cause it would force the states/feds to revamp everything.

[–] badbytes 49 points 10 months ago

In addition to prison officials, the lawsuit names the UAB Health System as defendants. The suit claims UAB’s School of Medicine obtained Dotson’s heart, and details a 2018 incident where medical students “noticed that a disproportionate number of the specimens they encountered during their medical training originated from individuals who had died in prison custody within the Alabama Department of Corrections.”

[–] [email protected] 44 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I would love to see the follow up to this. To see some sort of justice or reform. Sadly I feel this will change nothing and things will continue to get worse..

[–] reversebananimals 11 points 10 months ago

It's Alabama. It's never going to get better.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

This kind of story makes me think about superheroes.

[–] aberrate_junior_beatnik 24 points 11 months ago (4 children)

We need a total and complete shutdown of prisons until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I’m going to upvote you, because I like your anger. But that would probably be a terrible idea to allow convicted killers and rapists out on the street who have not been rehabilitated.

I wouldn’t argue with the possibility of temporarily releasing nonviolent criminals. 

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the current system isn't doing a whole lot of 'rehabilitation'.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago
[–] Mango 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"convicted"

I was convicted too. Zero evidence because I did nothing, but they just kept delaying my court case and making sure I was miserable. I eventually took their deal.

[–] grue 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

How do they avoid having your right to a speedy trial kick in?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Bureaucracy

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It’s a rule for the government. The one who enforces that rule is also the government. That means the rule is, effectively, optional.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We need to overthrow the shitty system and replace it with a new one, is what we need to do.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Every prison should be replaced with facilities for drug treatment, support groups, and job training. Give those people something to do and they won't be a threat to anyone, and that burden on society will disappear in a couple generations because they're not passing it on to their offspring.

But of course that doesn't directly make money for the people who own the system, so good luck convincing the folks in charge to make a change.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol obviously there are horrific things happening but you do realize that is completely impossible yes?

[–] Mango 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why?

They can't stop us all. The only thing standing in the way of good is people who consider themselves good but stand by doing nothing while witnessing evil.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Wut

Releasing all prisoners at once is simply the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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[–] Arthur_Leywin 10 points 10 months ago

Welp. That's good nightmare fuel.

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