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[–] [email protected] 230 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Agree this is bullshit, but at least there’s a Reject All button which is far more than we probably would have got prior to the introduction of GDPR.

[–] mypasswordis1234 72 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

reject() { accept(); } accept() { sendData(); }

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

If they did that, the EU would be on their heels.

You can bet they have been wary ever since the IE debacle.

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[–] [email protected] 203 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I went on a site the other day, and a massive popup appeared before I could do anything.

"We Respect Your Privacy"

1200+ "data partners".

Big blue "Accept" button.

Yeah, no you don't.

[–] AWittyUsername 79 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"We value your privacy... At about $10,000"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] cone_zombie 19 points 11 months ago

More like $0,02

[–] bigFab 27 points 11 months ago

Big brown 'Eat 💩' button

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter 142 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait until the EU tells them (funny enough that their own lawyers didn't tell them?) that they are required to name each party specifically and together with the specific purpose of their data sharing.

[–] moriquende 38 points 11 months ago (6 children)

They probably do in "Manage preferences". Stuff you can give to an intern to accomplish has never been a deterrent.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not what it's there for. It's not supposed to be a deterrent. The rule is there to be informative.

Think about what would happen if one of their partners was the police or the government. That would give them some pretty deep access that you may not want them to have.

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[–] killeronthecorner 129 points 11 months ago (1 children)

766 third parties

Facebook: look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power

[–] [email protected] 43 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Facebook: "All third parties"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"How many third parties?"

"Yes."

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

You know any third parties? Could you give them this copy of your data, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Outlook also sends all your email, including those from other accounts, to their cloud. No questions asked. Oh, also your password, because why not?

https://cybernews.com/privacy/new-outlook-copies-user-emails-to-microsoft-cloud/

[–] [email protected] 33 points 11 months ago

Mails, passwords, calendars and contacts. Basically everything. Here's another blog article: https://mailbox.org/en/post/warning-new-outlook-sends-passwords-mails-and-other-data-to-microsoft

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[–] elias_griffin 63 points 11 months ago

Also, it's the language scam of the decade to have a [privacy] agreement or terms with a "third party" which is basically anonymous/anyone/indeterminate/changing/.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (7 children)

Literally who would knowingly accept that

[–] [email protected] 89 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I've been a software developer for nearly 25 years now, and I can tell you this.

No cunt reads anything.

Something pops up over the top of what they want, they'll click OK.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

As the spouse of an inpatient person who doesn’t like tech, you’re completely correct.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

With dark patterns you can "guide" the user to click a particular button, for example by having "accept" in a large, bright stand out colored button, and the "reject" button in a low contrast, small or disabled looking button.

This will not prevent people from clicking reject, but it shifts the percentage of people clicking accept vs reject in the websites favor.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Being as I'm forced to use outlook for work... At least it's just my work persona they are tracking and selling? That guy is wild.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (1 children)

At least there's a "Reject all" button.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 11 months ago (8 children)

God can you imagine.

768 collapsed areas for each one. You have to expand that area and click the small slider with a 3 second UI freeze each time you do.

Then at the end when you click apply, you get a spinning wheel with "Applying your choices" that seems like it has timed out.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago

Of course I can imagine, I ve used windows for thirty years now.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago

They'll write "you're welcome" on your bathroom mirror when they track that you're in the shower.

[–] TheGrandNagus 38 points 11 months ago (15 children)

All MS software should be considered spyware.

It's just a shame that Outlook doesn't really have an alternative with the same level of functionality (not without spending a while adding on a bunch of add-ons anyway), and many workplaces (including mine) enforce use of Outlook and other MS software.

[–] dojan 20 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Honestly don't mind when workplaces enforce X or Y. It's not like any of my personal stuff goes on the work equipment anyway, nor is work stuff going on my personal equipment.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Don’t worry there actively working on making outlook as functional as the alternatives.

The “new version” appears like the browser version in a wrapper. So many features are just missing, like pinning a shared mailbox to your favorites.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Libreoffice? Open office? Thunderbird? Proton unlimited with its calendar?

[–] helpImTrappedOnline 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Cooperate uses what ever other cooperate uses

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (15 children)

lol, glad i switched from outlook to protonmail

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[–] Smokeydope 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Thats gross. Just no. Use thunderbird or some other FOSS email client, at least outlook is somewhat limited with its spyware BS when you get mail through IMAP

Im tired of telling windows people something they already know. Its your choice to use a completely corporate cucked operating system for your personal computing, you don't get to clutch pearls and act suprised over it being complete spyware, or whenever microsoft decides it wants to erode your user experience just a little bit more because they can.

[–] bigFab 20 points 11 months ago (7 children)

I tried using thunderbird for work MS email, but TB seem to be in the blacklist of my company (a professional school btw).

It popped me to ask for one time permission from the administrators and I did. They answered me 'TB is not YET trustable by them'. The incident is still 'in progress' after 10 months.

Then I found Ao. Pure gold.

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[–] finestnothing 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Fun fact! If you have outlook on your phone with a work account added, chances are IT has admin access to your phone and can remotely wipe it at any time. Also means that your phone can be collected as evidence if you or the company is involved in a court case possibly related to emails

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ok I've tested this with some users that definitely do have their work emails on their private phones and I can't see what this setting is. Are you sure about this, it seems super dodgy?

[–] tankplanker 18 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Modern way of doing it is via intune: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/mem/intune/remote-actions/devices-wipe

You can force registration of the device before they can access the environment, and you can enforce all sorts of things.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is device management and isn't something that is the default, or comes with Outlook.

A less intrusive method is application management which gives the company control to wipe the account, not the device.

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[–] Rootiest 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Just put your work apps in your Work profile.

That's exactly why Android has this function, so they can only remotely access/wipe that profile. Everything in that profile is kept segregated from the rest of the system.

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[–] profdc9 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's a wonder how Outlook and Exchange Server are used by most companies, many of which have sensitive confidential and proprietary data. Choosing Microsoft is all about having someone to blame for your security problems, not achieving secure communications and storage.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

Is this the new Metric to Imperial Windows conversion?

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 11 months ago

That then is one third party, one fourth party, one fifth party, …, and one 768th party, amirite?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Oh well as long as it's their legitimate interest, then by all means!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Admiral Ads: We value your privacy
Me: Reject All
Admiral Ads: Some parties cannot be rejected due to LeGiTiMaTe InTeReStS
Me: my legitimate interests are PiHole and uBO then 🙃

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