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[–] TrismegistusMx 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Republicans have used the electoral collage to overturn the popular vote twice in my life. I have no doubt they'll do anything they can to undermine a fair election. They can't win otherwise.

[–] Tedesche 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, Republicans haven't "used" the electoral college to overturn the popular vote, that's just how our election system works. I'm all for getting rid of the electoral college, but until then, this is the system we're stuck with.

[–] clanginator 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I mean, to split hairs here, republicans (democrats as well, they just never succeeded in an electoral over popular victory) intentionally target specific areas with campaigning and funds in order to "use" the electoral system to secure the w, so they have used it, but they've used it to overrule the popular vote, not overturn.

Altho depending on who you ask there was some fishy shit with Bush IIRC so that could be overturn. I don't know anything about that tho so no clue the veracity of that.

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[–] TrismegistusMx 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, the electoral system works in favor of republicans. Just like gerrymandering is technically illegal but nobody's going to do anything about it.

[–] K1nsey6 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Popular vote has NEVER meant shit in this country, there was no popular vote to overturn because that not how elections are measured

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"Land votes not people, this is a good system" oh okay.

[–] K1nsey6 9 points 1 year ago

No one has ever claimed it was a good system, it's a system designed to work perfectly for the wealthy and the politicians they own

[–] orclev 7 points 1 year ago

That's also why the Senate exists, it represents the States which are a stand in for Nobility. It's based on the UKs house of lords and house of commons. Congress represents the ~~peasants~~people, while the Senate represents the ~~nobility~~state.

[–] TrismegistusMx 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because this system is rigged in favor of republicans.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Pretzilla 12 points 1 year ago

It's just out of habit at this point

[–] teamevil 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bullshit it's 1 in 8.... It's like cockroaches you see one there's hundreds or thousands. I'd say it's a lot closer to 1:2 or 1:1.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They 'prefer' a candidate that respects the rules but will support anyone that they believe will beat the Democrats.

It's like saying, I'd prefer to win fair and square but I'm willing to cheat if playing by the rules doesn't work out.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] thesprongler 22 points 1 year ago

7 in 8 Republicans are liars.

No, that also seems low.

[–] Astroturfed 17 points 1 year ago

One in eight? Lol. One in eight are willing to admit it. Probably like 1/3-1/2 would go along with subverting democracy for "their team". We're talking about the party that's fine with the fact that they lose every popular vote and still manage to regularly get control of the government. Democracy is not important to them.

[–] jeffw 17 points 1 year ago

That goes up to almost 1 in 4 (23%) when you look at people who watch Newsmax and OAN

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FuglyDuck 8 points 1 year ago

7-in-8 are probably full of shit.

[–] eran_morad 12 points 1 year ago

Fucking traitors.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

I'd bet those numbers are much higher in actual life. 10s of millions of Republicans will happily vote for the coup leader the next time around.

[–] Hazdaz 11 points 1 year ago

Once again Republicans showing us how much they "love" America and freedom by telling us they hate the American people and democracy.

[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 year ago

When it stops being politics and becomes a religion in and of itself...

[–] davepleasebehave 8 points 1 year ago

I read, for what that's worth, that around 30% of any population would.be authoritarian..so that makes sense

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

"Election rules" are what govern democracy itself. Without them you don't have a free democracy.

So the headline should be changed to "One in 8 Republicans think winning is more important than democracy" and you can see where the problem lies.

[–] foggy 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you don't like democracy, you can expatriate. That's your option. Beyond that, it's treason.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

expatriate

Emigrate. Don't sugar coat it. When they leave they will be immigrants in their new countries. Let them wrap their heads around it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Actions a speak louder than polls. Lol to 1/8.

[–] Naja_Kaouthia 5 points 1 year ago

These are the people you see on YouTube losing their entire shit at their kids’ ball game.

[–] Feathercrown 4 points 1 year ago

Wow that's lower than I thought. Nice.

[–] CharlesDarwin 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

LOL, I'm suspicious that the number is that low. How many House Republicans actually supported the coup efforts with their actual votes in 2021? 147?

[–] SoleInvictus 3 points 1 year ago

Seriously. Given the general level of intellect (or lack thereof) with these guys, I'd wager a good chunk didn't understand the question.

[–] RojoSanIchiban 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1 in 8 Republicans need their citizenship revoked and to be airdropped somewhere in the Sahara.

I mean, they don't want to play by the rules, then why not suspend them just in scope of dealing with them? (I know it's not logical, hush it).

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those same respondents would brutally avow that any Democrat running for office definitely needs to follow ALL rules.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

The thing that scares me a lot more is the number that don't explicitly think that way, but will believe any story that says the election was stolen by Soros or whatever

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


One holds that Trump was simply pushing the boundaries of legality, squeezing through cracks or uncertainties in the process to effect a result that blocked Joe Biden’s inauguration.

Others simply think it was a clever effort to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, like violating unwritten rules to win a sporting contest.

Included among the questions was one that teased out an aspect of the distinction drawn above: Would Republican primary voters rather have a party nominee who respected the rules and customs of elections … or one who would do whatever it takes to win?

While that minority of the electorate who is indifferent to rules and customs is interesting, it’s probably more telling that so many Republicans express a preference for a rule-abiding candidate and also want Trump to be the 2024 nominee.

This group almost certainly falls into the first school of thought articulated at the beginning of this article, those who think Trump was pushing against the rules to retain power, without breaking them.

The former president and his allies have stoked this idea for years, in part recognizing that it is a preferable legal strategy to admitting that he’d broken the law.


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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

"one in 8". You're killing me op. Also that's awful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like most SportsBall fans. As long as my team wins, whatever it takes.

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