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[–] TrismegistusMx 81 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Republicans have used the electoral collage to overturn the popular vote twice in my life. I have no doubt they'll do anything they can to undermine a fair election. They can't win otherwise.

[–] Tedesche 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

No, Republicans haven't "used" the electoral college to overturn the popular vote, that's just how our election system works. I'm all for getting rid of the electoral college, but until then, this is the system we're stuck with.

[–] clanginator 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I mean, to split hairs here, republicans (democrats as well, they just never succeeded in an electoral over popular victory) intentionally target specific areas with campaigning and funds in order to "use" the electoral system to secure the w, so they have used it, but they've used it to overrule the popular vote, not overturn.

Altho depending on who you ask there was some fishy shit with Bush IIRC so that could be overturn. I don't know anything about that tho so no clue the veracity of that.

[–] Tedesche -2 points 2 years ago

The point is, it's not cheating or doing anything nefarious—it's just intelligent strategy. Don't hate the party, hate the system.

The 2000 presidential election is different. Florida's vote tallies were contested because they were so close. There was a recount that was also vey close and ultimately the Florida supreme court made a ruling in favor of Bush and gave him Florida's electoral votes. This was all technically legal, but very unusual, and what made it even fishier was the fact that Bush's brother (Jeb Bush) was governor of Florida at the time. That's why a lot of liberals felt Bush "stole" that election.

[–] TrismegistusMx 3 points 2 years ago

Yes, the electoral system works in favor of republicans. Just like gerrymandering is technically illegal but nobody's going to do anything about it.

[–] K1nsey6 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Popular vote has NEVER meant shit in this country, there was no popular vote to overturn because that not how elections are measured

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Land votes not people, this is a good system" oh okay.

[–] K1nsey6 9 points 2 years ago

No one has ever claimed it was a good system, it's a system designed to work perfectly for the wealthy and the politicians they own

[–] orclev 7 points 2 years ago

That's also why the Senate exists, it represents the States which are a stand in for Nobility. It's based on the UKs house of lords and house of commons. Congress represents the ~~peasants~~people, while the Senate represents the ~~nobility~~state.

[–] TrismegistusMx 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because this system is rigged in favor of republicans.

[–] K1nsey6 -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

*the system is rigged in favor of the duopoly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I’d say our voting method is rigged in favor of the duopoly, and the electoral college is rigged in favor of republicans.