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New polling shows national Republicans and Iowa Republican caucusgoers were more interested in “law and order” than battling “woke” schools, media and corporations.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies 130 points 10 months ago (15 children)

It would be nice if my country could have two functional political parties. Right now we have one that thinks if it does something once a decade it is too radical and the other is eating horse dewormer.

[–] BeMoreCareful 74 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

We have a conservative party and a proto-fascist party.

The vast majority of Americans are neither.

Edit: probably not vast, but an easy majority

[–] JustZ 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nah, look at the numbers. Three quarters support for single payer.

Hell, when you explain "defund the police" it has overwhelming majority support even by conservatives.

Vast majority are very liberal, just too busy being buried by capitalism to vote.

[–] hydrospanner 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I feel like a lot of progressive ideals lately are simply plagued but godawful marketing.

Great ideas that are given a verbal shorthand that is confusing, misleading, needlessly polarizing, easily demonized, or all of the above.

Pride, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, Antifa, Defund the Police, Woke, Antiwork, and lots lots more...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

How is anti-fascism bad marketing?

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Two sides of the same coin, honestly.

Anti-"woke" means refusing to acknowledge the presence of systematic injustice.

"Law & Order" is the dogwhistle for cranking up the tangible effects of systematic injustice.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Law & Order" = Straight Fascism, No Chaser

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[–] eran_morad 52 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What would be fucking grand is if they tired of voting.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 10 months ago

I'm hoping at least a significant number have since Trump has spent years now telling them that their votes didn't count anyway.

[–] TheHighRoad 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'd be fine if they just would get over their lying, grifting, shit-slinging "leaders." Of course, while I'd like if there were "legitimate" conservative candidates, the truth is that I don't know what that would even look like. Eisenhower?

[–] chickenwing 51 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, DeSantis schtick is getting old. It's not a real policy. Most people don't even have a clear view of what woke is even supposed to mean.

Even Trump doesn't care for it.

“I don’t like the term ‘woke’ because I hear ‘woke woke woke.’ It’s just a term they use, half the people can’t even define it, they don’t know what it is,” Donald Trump

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago (3 children)

When Donald Trump is the voice of treason, you know shit's gone way off the rails.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

... voice of treason...

Can't tell if typo or autocorrect.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 months ago

Typo, but I'm not gonna fix it.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He went on to complain about woke shit at his very next speaking event. Don't give him even that much credit

[–] sriracha_no_big_deal 7 points 10 months ago

He just doesn't like the word "woke" because he didn't make it up

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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[–] Candelestine 26 points 10 months ago

You mean some of them are starting to remember that people are just free to have their own opinions on things? Who could have seen it coming...

Problem with the outrage/fear machine is its not sustainable. The brain gets tired of it eventually, particularly when there's some cognitive dissonance down there somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (41 children)

Can you get tired of something you don't under and can't define, even though for it's pretty easy to understand and define for a normal person?

They're just getting tried of hearing DeSantis say it 800 times a minute. And he can't even define it.

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[–] cath 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hate, anger and the church pulpit are the main things that drive a right wing voter.

The word may change, as it has many times in the past, but the emotion behind it will never be abandoned.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

Yeah, there's absolutely nothing new about the war on "wokeness", they just swap out the names every now and then

The PC Mob

The radical left

Antifa

SJWs

Socialists

Communists

They all mean the same thing in this context, but they know that people tire of specifics quickly, so they keep changing labels. I guess this study means that they'll likely pick a new word for the boogeyman soon

[–] chem_bpy 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's not even the church pulpit. It's whatever shit they're spewing on YouTube, newsmax, OAN, truth social, etc.

[–] atx_aquarian 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Some "church" pulpits are helping spew that stuff, too. (Not all churches, and I'd go so far as to say not real churches. Political campaign theaters masquerading as religious institutions.)

[–] MicroWave 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For Republican candidates, no word has hijacked political discourse quite like “woke,” a term few can define but many have used to capture what they see as left-wing views on race, gender and sexuality that have strayed far beyond the norms of American society.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Easy to define:

Taryn Fenske, DeSantis’ Communications Director said “woke” was a “slang term for activism…progressive activism” and a general belief in systemic injustices in the country.

https://www.motherjones.com/mojo-wire/2022/12/desantis-ron-woke-florida-officials/

Believe that there is inequality? You're part of the woke mob burning down cities and eating soup or whatever.

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[–] Ensign_Crab 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're tired of the current entry on the "then they came for" list.

[–] RGB3x3 7 points 10 months ago

They want to move on to the next largest minority group they can demonize.

[–] MushuChupacabra 14 points 10 months ago

Never lose sight of the fact that you're supposed to direct your politicians to fight for your issues, and not the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

They’ve run out of trigger words and myopic symbolism.

[–] Lord_McAlister 7 points 10 months ago

I don't think they're actually beginning to care about other people's opinions and beliefs, I think, I PRAY, they've begun to realize that campaigning on the idea you're going to spend millions of taxpayer dollars on enforcing their beliefs isn't what you pay taxes for.

I beg of them to realize exactly how much these republican bastards waste their OWN money on useless crap instead of the schools, infestructure, and societal improvements they're meant to be spent on.

[–] xc2215x 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wokeness has been made into a bigger issue than needed.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

never forget whose making it such a big issue.

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