Lmao the autopen issue is just that Biden used an electronic signature, so now the pardons are invalidated? Guess I don't own my house then, I'm not an organ donor, my student loans should be invalidated, my medical procedures were never authorized, etc...
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Republicans canceling student loans would almost be cool but they'd probably find a way to destroy universities in the process if they could
Probably wouldn't do that, capitalists are heavily invested in Student Loan Asset-Backed Securities (SLABS), basically the same as '08's famous Mortgage Backed Securities but backed by student loans instead of mortgages. Whatever they would do in regards to student loans would be much more malicious against those who owe them
Yeah, the only thing banks learned from the ‘08 bubble was that they shouldn’t back securities with debts that can be disbursed via bankruptcy. Since student loans can’t be disbursed, they’re the gold standard for securities, and are a big reason why so many rich people are against student loan forgiveness.
I think the universe would implode due to that specific action creating a paradox.
I mean, Republicans were the ones that cancelled free/cheap higher education.
They're trying to seize control of universities, look at what's been happening with Columbia.
With how universities are funded and boards are operated, they've owned them for a long time. What they've failed to control is the minds and hearts of students and professors.
They'd make the universities pay the student loans.
That would indeed destroy them in the process.
They sell the education, the loan is their payment. If the loan was rescinded out of the schools pockets it would instantly go bankrupt for offering services for negative income.
Under US law, the president has the expressed authority to direct a subordinate to attach the presidential signature in an official capacity without the president present while granting that individual no more authorities.
For the regular citizens, you have to be present or assign a lawful representative with legal authorities. So you couldn't tell your secretary to attach your electronic signature to your mortgage loan papers unless she had power of attorney or was acting as your guardian. You can click a button to attach your electronic signature and send the document to whomever.
So Biden was fine to sign without being present. I think their argument is that he was not capable of knowingly doing what he did due to mental condition. So they would have to prove he was unfit and determine when he crossed that line for whatever they are claiming to be valid and vacation possible.
they would have to prove he was unfit
In this looney toons timeline? Most likely trump will just declare it is so and everyone goes along with it
I honestly don't think it would be that hard to prove he was mentally compromised with a few subpoenas, or at least cast enough doubt. There was the staffers that talked about their wrangling efforts at the start of his term.
You are right though, Trump will do whatever and then the courts will glaciate their way through unfucking things.
Stupid evil fucking tyrant. Please just have a heart attack and die already. If only that kid hadn't missed.
Once he takes away the food stamps from his gravy seals (or similarly disenfranchises folks with nothing left to lose), hell accidentally unleash the crazies on himself.
West Virginians are already fuming with Trump's lack of help with their current floods (oddly missing from the news cycles). The sentiment among WV trump voters is being echoed in interviews statewide, "We showed up for him. He'd better show up for us soon."
West Virginians all unanimously reporting "We need to fund FEMA more."
This process will be slow, but what's happening in WV right now looks like a potential sleeper flashpoint for the erosion of his base.
I think it's missing from news cycles to limit the spread of this damage to Trump's base's support for MAGA.
He'll spin it that Biden did it in league with deep state drag queens and also Canada.
And his base will accept it because they're simple folk.
Because being wrong about something hurts and is embarrassing.
If West Virginians aren't buying this time around...
Him gutting the VA isn't real popular in red states either.
Red state captive here. The trumpanzees don't give a shit. The individual feds that got axed by Trump are pretty upset, but the ones that weren't directly targeted still just play damage control for the fucker any time you bring it up.
This exactly. The MAGA cult has complete tunnel-vision. Unless something affects them directly, they simply do not care. Even if it does affect them directly, they’ll blame everything else but the guy they voted for.
I grew up brainwashed into Mormonism, and what scares me is this is literal, not figurative, brainwashing on a massive scale. But fascism needs its browncoats, so it's gotten exceedingly skilled at creating them.
IIRC, West Virginia was one of the top states to use SNAP. SNAP benefits farmers
which I've commented on before in my "a lot of Trump administration policies seem to be surprisingly disadvantageous to agriculture, given that the GOP in 2025 is the rural party" point
and the poor.
kagis
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/food-stamp-benefits-by-state
The state with the highest rate of participation in SNAP was New Mexico, where 24.3% of the state’s residents were enrolled as of November 2022, nearly 5 percentage points higher than any other state. After New Mexico, Louisiana (19.5%), West Virginia (18.2%), Oklahoma (17.2%) and Oregon (17.0%) were among the states with the highest rates of participation.
The budget resolution that the House plans to take up this week directs the House Agriculture Committee to cut programs in its jurisdiction by at least $230 billion through 2034, with these cuts expected to come largely or entirely from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) and to be used to help pay for tax cuts for the wealthiest business owners and households.
For anyone not familiar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program
In the United States, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP),[1] formerly known as the Food Stamp Program, is a federal government program that provides food-purchasing assistance for low- and no-income persons to help them maintain adequate nutrition and health.
That being said, West Virginia did get socially-conservative policy on LGBT stuff, and Trump has at least made positive noises about coal; the decline of coal has been a major political issue in West Virginia.
Top Coal Producing States in 20171
- Wyoming 41%
- West Virginia 12%
- Pennsylvania 6.3%
- Illinois 6.3%
- Kentucky 5.5%
I'm actually a little surprised that Wyoming is that high up there. Might be that Wyoming has risen recently.
Out of the five top producing states, West Virginia is the largest coal employer with over 11,500 workers in 2016. However, Wyoming has by far the largest coal output, producing almost four times as much coal as West Virginia with half the number of workers. Coal deposits in Wyoming are relatively thick and closer to the surface than deposits in other states, which allows high-output surface mining techniques that are less labor-intensive3.
Ah, might be that it's because it's more of a jobs thing in West Virginia. Probably employed more people historically too.
I keep reading west Virginians understand the impact on coal jobs of automation over the decades. Even if coal were to come back, the jobs won’t.
A little bit of searching through the data shows West Virginians are the least productive coal miners, most labor required, least automation. Even if coal were to come back, jobs won’t be going to West Virginia nor will mines pay well for lack of productivity.
The economic case against coal is open-shut. Even if you disregard the environment, coal is not coming back.
The funny thing is apparently US coal production had a huge drop during trumps first term and actually increased a little during Biden’s
But it’s not coming back
I want to go back in time and sponsor that boy some shooting lessons.
Please just have a heart attack and die already.
Spinal cancer is much, much more painful.
If Presidents are allowed to declassify documents with their mind, why cant they pardon with autopen?
It's because it wasn't done by the Special Boy President who is the Most Special and can do whatever He wants.
When trump is out of office the dems need to do something crazy like publicly execute every member of trumps team for treason. Its the only way to signal that what he did was treasonous.
Ah you sweet summer child thinking dems will win next election... Or that there will be another "election".
Dictators are seldom removed by elections.
Yeah well got some news for you...the Dems ain't gonna do shit. Just like the 4 years after Jan 6th 2021. And then when it's time to make a proper choice they'll just send their worst people for the polls to vote on. They are very much part of and very integral to this system right now. All this... All this is collectively AMERICA.
Good thing there's nothing forcing us to rely on the Dems.
And there it is, another giant flag signaling they don’t intend to ever give up the presidency. Otherwise any sane president would instantly invalidate everything trump did and send him to jail along with most of the administration
Any ranking Democrat would be far too committed to trying to manifest norms by acting as if they were still in force to even consider such an action.
Did trump personally sign each and every one of the 1500 Jan 6th pardons he gave to his brownshirt thugs?
Any Trump proclamation is invalid because his toupee looks like an admiralty flag, and void because he voids into his Depends when ranting.
Sov-cit bullshit.
If this gives precedents to one presidency removing pardons of another then hopefully Arpaio lives long enough to die in prison.
Arpaio, Flynn, Stone, ... the list goes on
Does that mean I still own my old house? Signed that over with a digital signature...
We're going to lose everything before the people rise up against these fascist shitheads.
Not how it works, fuckface
Orange mother fucker didn’t personally sign my Covid stimulus check. I’m not sure it actually came from him! He didn’t do that…
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