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Rattled by a horde of MAGA trolls, here’s what I learned about today’s social media miasma.

Last Friday I made a post on Bluesky and X, concerning U.S. President Donald Trump’s description of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as “Governor.” It occurred to me that, numb as we are to Trump’s stream of blather, the importance of that remark was being overlooked. It was an overt declaration by the president of the United States that he does not recognize Canadian sovereignty. That’s scary.

So, my post: “For a US president to refer to the Prime Minister of Canada as ‘Governor’ isn’t just rude. It’s a hostile act.”

The post got little attention on Bluesky. On X, for whatever reason, it went berserk. Over the weekend it racked up close to 3,000 reposts, over 29,000 “likes” and more than 5,000 replies. Those replies came almost entirely from Trump-loving trolls, piling scorn and abuse on my concerns. “Yeah but it’s Canada so who gives a fuck?” said one.

Do the responses represent a genuine glimpse of U.S. opinion on Trump’s bully-boy act?

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[–] DicJacobus 19 points 1 day ago

Get off of twitter accept that its a lost cause. stop wasting your time arguing with people who think it'd be funny to kill you.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

I guarantee a large chunk of those are AI bots

[–] Lightor 27 points 1 day ago

Anyone with any sense doesn't use Twitter anymore. This is like throwing bait into a shark tank and being surprised by the reaction.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know those are just bots, right?

[–] Melvin_Ferd 6 points 1 day ago

This title is pure drama

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Do the responses represent a genuine glimpse of U.S. opinion on Trump’s bully-boy act?

No. Xitter is a far-right echo chamber, so such abuse is to be expected. I'm not sure why this person is even posting there.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago

The purpose of troll farms is to overwhelm people with a wave of opinion, making it seem like it's the opinion of the majority even if it's only a minority, to make readers doubt their own opinions as they see to much support which really is only 1 person for every 1000 comments if that.

[–] [email protected] 101 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@breakfastmtn You have to remember that a lot of the accounts on X aren't real people, they're bots.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Its bad on TikTok too. I've seen lots of news clips on TikTok of Trump and the 51st sate comment. Most comment replies to these videos have been from Maga supporters. Along the lines of "Canada should be honored to become part of the greatest country on earth".

It's very disturbing and very serious. An outright sign of war. It's a tarrif war for now but I worry about what it will be in future.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'd seen warnings posted that this, in large part, is and is going to be a psychological type of warfare. I thought it was nonsense at first, till I saw the barrage of verbal attacks against Canadians continuing to grow in numbers and frequency at sites like Reddit... telling us we're useless and might as well give up. But then it occurred to me that when our enemy wants us to think we're doing it wrong, it's because they know we're doing it right!

So if they are, in fact, attempting to defeat us psychologically, then we need to fight back the same way: We need to maintain and guard our right thinking and perspective by continuing to read and post and share those articles that prove our efforts are working! When we read something that discourages us, we need to follow it up by also reading from the reams of encouraging news out there! Foremost, we need to remind ourselves and each other that we aren't alone in this... that, as Canadians, we are 40 million strong! And not only this, but we also have the support of Friends from all around the world, many of them even joining us in our efforts!

So we need to keep standing together and standing strong... knowing they would love nothing more than to see us give up, and in fact need for us to give up cause they know what we're doing is working!

Go Canada & Friends! 🍁🌍

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Also, Twitter has a lot of bots. More than ever before. This shapes discussion in many ways. Most basically, posts meeting certain narratives get more upvotes, quote tweets, etc. resulting in an algorithmic boost. Add in Xitter's desire to "boost engagement" by bidding controversial content. Finally, so many people are leaving Xitter, or at least using it less at it's quality declines.

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[–] MapleEngineer 11 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago (7 children)

This quote from a political scientist they interview for the article is one of the most baffling statements I've seen in a while. I keep staring at it.

“You know, it’s sad,” Givens says. “I was one of the first Americans to study the far right in Europe. I’ve looked at various aspects, anti-immigration stuff, anti-discrimination policy, the roots of racism. I did a video for PBS called ‘Can democracy survive racism?’ This was back in 2019.

“And now I’m like, ‘Damn, I didn’t think the U.S. was going to be the first to fall.’”

It is simultaneously nonsensical and the essence of "this explains a lot".

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Even some of us in Australia could see it coming. Back in 2023, one of our former PMs interviewed a member of a CIA taskforce that had created a predictive model for civil wars. Normally it's used on other countries, but they tried applying it to the US and you can guess what the results were.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/americas-coming-civil-war/id1674095396?i=1000626742633 https://open.spotify.com/episode/0MVeiDPgEtLRMsg3kMHV2K https://www.audible.com.au/podcast/Americas-coming-civil-war/B0CH8QQ4N2

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, Americans are very keen on the idea that the situation will resolve violently through civil war (or revolution).

I'm skeptical. More likely they will quietly submit, as they have so far. Non-US countries should consider the entirety of the US a hostile regime until I'm proven wrong, the same way they do with Russia or Belarus.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago

Honestly, with the way Musk is tearing through departments and the cybersecurity threat his team poses, none of the US's allies (e.g. Australia) should be sharing intelligence with the US any more. If we're smart, we should be treating the US as having been compromised by hostile foreign powers.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

They searched the world for clues of downfall by authoritarian fascism but ended up right back at home.

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[–] Feathercrown 19 points 2 days ago

Post to X

Get trolled

Many such cases

[–] shaggyb 26 points 2 days ago (11 children)

As a general rule, nothing curated by an algorithm is genuine.

Iterate that for an algorithm controlled by an American corporation.

Then iterate it again for Musk.

Combine that with everyone having left Twitter who isn't maga.

No, your experience on Twitter is not representative of the average American.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

What do you expect when you engage in the platform ran by a wannabe-Nazi?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The thing that is surprisingly hard to keep in mind is that the US is a culturally fascist country. It has been for a very long time. It's what a fascist democracy looks like.

It is a country with long standing and broadly shared and accepted foundational mythology. It glorifies the military, and the "All American" young adult. There's a strong cult of tradition, a deep distrust of learning and knowledge, and firm belief in the United States as a country and people of "action". Despite their own claims to the contrary, they believe that disagreement with the US is betrayal, particularly on the part of people who arr not white and born of white US citizens. They always have an external enemy (and often an internal one, too) to judtify any action. They have contempt for countries and peoples they see as weak, and a huge hard-on for machismo.

American exceptionalism, which is taught to every school child in the country, is a fascist doctrine.

You can go down the list of fascist qualities outlined in Ur-Fascism and see that the US has always ticked off a large majority of them. The only thing that's different today is that Americans are confronting someone trying to turn it into a disctatorship.

It's not the fascism that bothers people about the current shift, but the governing structure the current fascist-in-chief is trying to impose.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

@breakfastmtn "is this how americans really feel?" -- a lot of them, yes. 100%, there are plenty of americans who feel that way. certainly not all of them, but definitely a lot

[–] reddig33 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Maybe 30% at most. The rest of us certainly don’t. The problem is that another 40% can’t be bothered to vote.

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-11-15/how-many-people-didnt-vote-in-the-2024-election

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

People who decide not to vote are in fact making a positive statement, they're saying "we agree with whatever the people who do vote decide." I don't give America a pass due to apathy.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

It's probably a vanishingly small population that actually believes the US should absorb Canada. The problem is there's a substantial population that will just support anything Trump says without critical thought, and Trump will repeat anything Putin tells him to without critical thought.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

The media needs to catch up with the notion that they can’t rely on Twitter to be an accurate pulse on the world sentiment. It’s not the same people at X. It’s not people at X in a lot of cases with the bots.

It likely went “berserk” because X’s algorithm and the bots are tuned to whip up keywords like “governor” and “Canada” used together.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Twitter seems like it has basically turned into YouTube comments.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't know what YouTube comments are then because all I see under videos is "Who is watching this in 2024? ✋" Everywhere

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah youtube comments aren't the same as the ones of yore people generally think of. They used to be filled with slurs and racism and now they're mainly just insipid with some very occasional ok discussion or info

[–] atomicpoet 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Canadians will need to do the right thing and hurt America in the spot they like most: their pocketbook.

This will hurt us too, no doubt. Monetarily, probably more. But I don’t think the average American are prepared for what kind of hurt we can put them through.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you but you need to be careful about the details. You'd like to think Americans care about their pocketbook, but so many people voted for Trump with the clear expectation that he would raise the cost of living.

Or maybe they believed his lies, and now we've seen that egg prices are higher than ever and gas isn't going down, but still there's no public outcry, right? We have millions of Americans who will vote against their own best financial interests.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I like how The Thee has replaced their X link with Mastodon and Bluesky. More sites need to do this.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

The U.S. is a terrorist organization. They always have been. They’ve always been at war and are always looking for war.

Anyone who thinks different just needs to look at the atrocities they’ve committed in the past.

Look at the atrocities they’re doing now and it’s widely being accepted as OK. Ethnic cleansing, removing one people’s from a location they’ve lived in forever, annexation of sovereign nations, discussing negotiations of a country without the country under attack being invited to discuss their future, nazis in the henhouse, Nazis taking to the streets to proclaim victory, mass racial action, concentration camps for migrants, using to bolster their wants.

This isn’t a stable country, this is a country beginning to show its true colours and hopefully they get ripped apart from the inside.

Someone needs to put down Trump and his rabid MAGA movement.

MAGA is just a modern day term for nazisim.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

genuine glimpse of U.S. opinion

yes... of a vocal subset of the maga cult. magas generally have some similar views but it's the extremist trolls that you encounter most online.. because they're so fucking persistent and they're everywhere specifically looking for opportunities to hurt others and spread the gospel of a leaky diaper.

the maga nuts are about one-third of the country. another third is furious and pissed-off, and the last third has no fucking clue how bad it really is and how much worse it's headed for.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They forget. We burned down the white house once, and we'll fucking do it again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't just stop at the White House. A Tsar Bomba dropping on DC would be more worthwhile.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Maybe, but sometimes you just have to bloody the bullies nose and they'll leave you alone.

Which is what I suspect we all want, eh?

[–] timewarp 6 points 2 days ago

X is full of Musk bot propaganda which was always his plan. X is obviously manipulated but by who? I'd love for someone to take him to court & find out. Wouldn't be surprised to learn him & Trump have foreign countries helping, likely Saudi Arabia & Israel.

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