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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

The Almighty Stick.

And you're saying you made it even more deadly?

[–] a9cx34udP4ZZ0 34 points 2 days ago

It's like one side was fighting for literally everything, and the other side was a bunch of scared teenagers wondering why the fuck some tropical jungle on the other side of the planet was worth dying for. The only ones actually waking up wanting to fight at all were the psychopaths that just wanted to kill someone.

[–] [email protected] 151 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Feel like this is really belittling to the VC and PAVN, the Ho Chi Minh trail is rightfully known as one of the greatest achievements of military engineering in the 20th century.

The North Vietnamese military didn't win because America was just that incompetent, they had arguably a couple of the best generals in modern history. I mean they defended against the armies of France, America, cambodia and China within a couple decades.

[–] ChicoSuave 116 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If Vietnam had the PR machine of America, Võ Nguyên Giáp would be heralded as one of the greatest military minds of all time. Instead he is begrudgingly accepted as a good strategist who probably beat 3 of the biggest, most powerful militaries in the world with villagers.

The West doesn't want to admit that a lawyer who was untrained in military doctrine and strategy beat France then the USA then Cambodia then China in a long 40 year fight. To Americans, the Vietnam was a gruesome 20 years. To Vietnam that was the second chapter of a 50 year period where someone tried to conquer them.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 16 points 2 days ago

Extra exhausting when you hear some chest beating 2A loving conservative insist that Vietnam/Afghanistan proves police states can't ever work in America.

There's simply no conceptualization of what domestic resistance takes or who you need to win in a protracted insurgency.

We've just got a bunch of keyboard commanders who think your League of Legends rank would make you a modern day Rambo.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 days ago

Yeah, Giáp is undeniably one of the greatest minds in modern military history. Not only did he defeat some of the most powerful militaries in the world, he did so in strategically different positions.

I can't think of another commander who excelled against an occupying force as an insurgent, was successful in counter insurgency, and defeated a better armed opponent in a head to head battle.

You're totally right, if America had a general as successful everything in the US military would be named after them, we'd never hear the end of it.

[–] Stamets 33 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I feel like racism definitely played a part on America's side too. Just assumed that they couldn't possibly be strategically intelligent because their houses aren't white picket fence nonsense. Clearly they are "lessers".

[–] MuskyMelon 2 points 1 day ago

Definitely and continues to this day beyond the battlefields

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

It shows how insidious propaganda is when you can't even avoid perpetuating it when you're trying to boost the people it's against.

[–] SpruceBringsteen 19 points 2 days ago

Recently saw a photo from Ukraine.

It was an abandoned or unoccupied trench. But it had 6 feet of rebar sticking up every few feet in the trench.

From the top of the trench it's almost invisible.

[–] Snowclone 10 points 1 day ago

Drafted soldiers was a big problem also we may have been facing less trained organized military in the south, but US history didn't teach us the north had a VERY organized and trained military who were experts in jungle warfare.

[–] shalafi 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, what did you expect? McNamara sent in the marching morons.

Instead of upping the draft, calling on more young men to go to Vietnam, he lowered the standards for induction to the Armed Services, recalling many young men who had previously been excused from the service for physical and mental disabilities.

The majority of these men were illiterate or even had below average IQs. Many would have been likely classified as “mentally disabled” in a future generation.

Remember Bubba from Forest Gump? He wasn't some random stupid guy, he was one of "McNamara's morons".

I work with a guy like that, probably autistic and not "lemmy autistic". "LOL, I'm so quirky and have totally typical human traits! Don't call me the R word! I have legit mental problems!"

Nah. This guy couldn't hang working at a hardware store, moving mulch and rocks from point A to B, so they made him the "cart boy". All he has to do is bring the shopping carts and sleds in from the parking lot. First day, he took the carts from inside and put them back in the parking lot.

Imagine going into combat with this guy, the most unforgiving quarter in human experience, and you must cooperate or die. I'd frag him to save myself and my buddies.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (5 children)

"lemmy autistic". "LOL, I'm so quirky and have totally typical human traits! Don't call me the R word! I have legit mental problems!"

you do realize high functioning autistic people actually exist, right?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Ufff, that last sentence came hard

[–] shalafi 5 points 2 days ago

Almost deleted it, but it does hit hard and explains how many of those men likely died.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (4 children)

It's fan fiction I think. Being elitist with mental handicap because they have "overcome" theirs with intellect and willpower, most likely. Probably scared they are the one that would get fragged. In dire need of human companionship if I was to take a gander.

[–] ChexMax 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Obviously we need to support everyone and ableism is bad, but I wouldn't want to get drafted which is basically a death sentence and then a guy who gets bring from A to B mixed up with bring from B to A is beside me with a loaded gun. I definitely wouldn't want him behind me with that gun. To say that's elitist is intentionally naive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Nah, I hate that they did that. But in their comment they belittled every autistic person on lenmy, and it's not hard to see through why someone would be angry after willingly engaging with anonymous autistic spaces out of curiosity

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Is this shitposting community an autistic space? Actually never mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My girlfriend's uncle is mentally handicapped and has severe autism. He's very friendly and wouldn't hurt a fly, and I sincerely believe he's a good person.

I would never rely on him in a combat situation, as he'd likely get me killed by accident.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Ok but we are talking about slaying him just in case here

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah, they hadn't managed to get past bananas in their self defense classes.

[–] AnUnusualRelic 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now, it's quite simple to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. First of all you force him to drop the banana; then, second, you eat the banana, thus disarming him. You have now rendered him 'elpless.

[–] AeonFelis 1 points 1 day ago

Third - drop the banana peel on the floor and make him slip on it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

If we are ever invaded by monkeys with balloons, I am ready to serve.

[–] maxalmonte14 39 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So that's the trick to defeating American imperialism, pointy sticks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah just leave some mcds out as bait. Maybe do it in DC and Florida

[–] Diplomjodler3 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And being willing to have a couple dozen of your own guys get killed for every dead enemy. I feel this tiny detail is being overlooked in this thread.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

It was closer to 3 - 1 during the first two Indochina wars, and 1 - 3 (in the other direction) during the third.
(The US weren't the only enemy)

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[–] TropicalDingdong 21 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Weren't the pointy sticks like, parts of traps?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit! This Lemmite is one of them! The death magic guys!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I'm not even a Trekker/Trekkie/Yar worshipper (that last one is a lie), I've just been habituated to it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, pointy sticks smeared with shit as a trap are quite effective when the traps are hidden in dense jungle.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I mean shit, even the predator couldn't avoid those

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would have guessed that more than half of them had below average intelligence to be honest.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, that is how averages work.

On a bell curve half are above, half below the exact average point. If you take into account college students were exempt from the draft, you remove a chunk that's likely mostly above the middle point. So by definition, the group leftover would be of below average intelligence, and more than 50% of people word fall below the average point.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Yes.

The only thing to add is that the intelligence we are talking about here is a social construct and the numbers used to express it have specifically been adjusted to give a normal distribution (a bell curve).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Well yeah they were american.

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