this post was submitted on 10 Feb 2025
232 points (98.3% liked)

World News

40531 readers
3920 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Summary

Russia warned that U.S.-Russia relations are near collapse, with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov stating the Ukraine war will continue unless Kyiv abandons its NATO ambitions.

The Kremlin declined to confirm Trump's claim that he spoke with Putin, despite Trump's assertion that he expects more discussions to end the war.

Trump’s security adviser suggested economic pressure on Moscow to negotiate, while Ukraine's Zelenskyy insists on U.S. and European support before engaging with Putin.

Meanwhile, a Russian drone attack injured a civilian in Ukraine’s Sumy region.

all 48 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] dogslayeggs 59 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I absolutely do not believe this. It sounds to me like they are trying to act like they are enemies again while they work in the background to take control of everything.

[–] Dragomus 6 points 8 hours ago

Putin is signaling to his adoring fan Trump that Ukraine's special resources "belong" to Russia.

To both Trump and Putin this is not about Ukraine at all.

The crux of the matter is: did Trump wake up about the value of those resources and prefers to permanently claim them for himself? Or will he see it as a great gift to hand them to Putin on a later date so that both can "save face"?

Putin wants the resources and will destroy the identity of Ukraine and make it Russian so it will never leave the flock again. He will also keep trying, in 10 years or more he will keep coming back for the resources. He has done it in 1990, in 2014 and in 2021. But he needs Ukraine to be fully disarmed.

In 1990 he forced Ukraine to give away it's nuclear armaments, later he made it give up the navy that Ukraine was left with when it split from the USSR. In 2014 he saw chance to take parts of Ukraine by force, thinking he could take the rest by subterfuge of having his own soldiers fight anonymously as "breakaway Ukraine rebels" but it failed because Ukraine was still armed well and intent on defending it's identity. 2021 Putin tried again, thinking Ukraine's armaments now were hopelessly outdated and Russia had a lot of "modern" material, his 3-day takeover plan was thwarted by the Ukrainian fighting spirit. And what is worse, it showed that the military might of Russia was a paper tiger, the equipment was not up to snuff to an enemy intent on defending itself, so Russia had to fall back to it's centuries old tactic of overwhelming the enemy with cannon fodder.

But now the limit of reasonability is reached, Putin can not endlessly throw cannonfodder at Ukraine. With all the western weapons far outclassing what it can fabricate and train, Russia has lost the military fight and will turn to political paths. First to keep the conquered Ukrainian lands and designate them as Russia, then have the West lose interest in Ukraine's membership of NATO and perhaps the EU. But still demand the delivery of the resources to Russia. And in about 15 years he'll come with the same excuse again and try to take Ukraine once more.

Russia wants the resources ... In time the gas supplies will have its prices slashed due to the continued growth of renewable energy.

And his adoring fan Trump can and likely will aid him speed it all up if he can use him to have the west withdraw all support.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Any evidence to support this claim?

[–] GreenKnight23 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

two eyes, a brain, and a fucking pukse.

stop shilling for fascists.

edit: btw took a look at your history....very convincing btw.

[–] pahlimur 25 points 11 hours ago

Having a memory longer than 6 minutes. I would love for my country to be turning against Russia, but the orange one is 100% on Russia's side as always. My money is on us supplying Russia or even boots on the ground in a few years.

[–] Sterile_Technique 92 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Trump and Putin breaking up with each other would be best case scenario for Ukraine.

Trump isn't going to send them any aid to actually support them, but I could see him doing it to spite another dictator that he's currently offended by.

[–] meco03211 12 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Especially if Ukraine agrees to be exploited for minerals out of desperation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Uncle Joe killed many, many Russian leaders. So, 80 years later ... maybe?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

They already have expressed a willingness to do so.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine if Trump starts being the good guy... out of spite

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Stalin became good out of spite ?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 43 minutes ago

Stalin joined the allies after Hitler attacked the USSR, becoming a temporary "good guy" out of spite for the Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Smashed nazis...after they stabbed him in the back...I guess that counts.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago
[–] partial_accumen 33 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

with Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov stating the Ukraine war will continue unless Kyiv abandons its NATO ambitions.

No it won't. There's public satellite photography of Russia military equipment reserves. It is a known roughly the quantity how many new pieces can be produced each month. If the west continues to support Ukraine economically and militarily and China stays mostly on the sidelines, Russia's defeat is just a matter of time. They simply can't sustain the war.

[–] lepinkainen 3 points 12 hours ago

And when they can’t sustain the war they will fall so tucking hard from war economy

[–] [email protected] 76 points 18 hours ago

Trump's 24hrs to end the Russo-Ukrainian war are becoming Putin's three days to conquer Ukraine.

[–] Treczoks 22 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

If Russia-US relations break, will they publish whatever compromat they have on Trump? My bet would be a movie of him fucking a minor in a Moscow hotel.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The Orange Menace is impervious to kompromat. You can only blackmail people who have shame, and Asshole in Chief has absolutely none. Whatsoever. He himself said that he could shoot a man in the middle of Times Square and not lose a single vote, which is absolutely true. His voters actually want a shameless criminal in the White House, because this legitimizes their own awful behaviour. I can't think of any kind of kompromat that Putler could use against someone like that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

I feel like if they had video of him porking a young blonde and calling her “Ivanka” he’d realize the damage it could do.

[–] partial_accumen 16 points 15 hours ago

And as sad as it is, trump's supporters wouldn't turn on him for that. They'd come up with any excuse in the world and continue to throw their support behind him.

[–] dogslayeggs 4 points 13 hours ago

His voters wouldn't care.

[–] Windex007 34 points 17 hours ago

It's just a show for the benefit of Trump and his supporters.

A few days ago, Putin was repeating Trump's lines of "never would have happened if Joe Biden didn't steal the election in 2020".

These two are for sure just performing their choreographed dance designed to enthrall and delight the MAGA base. It can't be stressed enough how this dance costs Putin nothing.

[–] SulaymanF 47 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Impossible, Trump promised us all he would end the war in 24 hours, likely before even taking office.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

You've probably misheard it...

Putin also never said, the war would be short... He expected it to take 3 day...cades....

[–] Grimy 10 points 14 hours ago

"But you said you would be my friend if I did what you said!"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 19 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Xanthobilly 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I hovered the link. That's staying blue.

[–] Xanthobilly 3 points 14 hours ago

It’s the Elon cybertruck torso meme.

[–] Treczoks 6 points 15 hours ago

More likely him fucking a minor in a hotel in Moscow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago

That's against humanity... Oh, wait, Russia doesn't care about that....

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

Trump will probably get mad aboit something at some point and send lots of weapons...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I read in a previous post that Trump's plan leaked:

The plan requires Ukraine to give up land in Russia’s Kursk region and also to accept Russia’s land grab. European soldiers would also occupy and monitor a demilitarized zone.

Ukraine would also have to agree not to seek membership in NATO

If true, Russia is getting what it wants.

[–] SmoothOperator 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Arguably what Russia seeks is not territory, but to destabilise the Ukraine government and re-establish a puppet state.

Which would mean both sides lose on this deal.

(Not saying it's a good deal.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

Puppet state = territory.

It's only after farmland. It doesn't want all those pesky people getting in the way.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 hours ago

If true, Russia is getting what it wants

Tends to happen when you win a war

[–] seven_phone 19 points 18 hours ago

Work to have a destabilising leader elected in an opposing country. Succeed and destabilise that country. Realise a destabilised opposing country is worse for your country.

[–] aeronmelon 10 points 16 hours ago

Meaning in a few months Russia might not have the infrastructure to make an international phone call.

[–] NOT_RICK 16 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty sure the US can wait this out longer than the Kremlin can. I don’t see the US sending donkeys

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago

More trivia rambling than anything: we do actually regularly send donkeys and mules into conflict. They're better at handling rough terrain than the vast majority of vehicles, so if you can't send a truck you send people with pack animals.

https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm3-05-213.pdf

The US army manual for the use and maintenance of pack animals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

https://sof.news/special-forces/pack-animals/

Had to look this up with the other comment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

i was kind of expecting russia to team up with usa against europe

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago

That's definitely not ruled out

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Why teaming up with Russia? They are a large country with a broken economy and now also a broken military...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Because it would be in russias interests? And russia is big enough threat that some military people in europe have started to worry too. They are rearming fast and will likely want to attack more than ukraine. Usa is ruled by traitor and a madman who immidiately started threatening allies, i wouldnt put past them to start dividing western the world amongst themselves like hitler and stalin did. But i hope news like this arent just some ruse by russia, facing them alone will be bad enough. I just hope the threat will be taken seriously by those who make decisions, maybe it wont come to war then.