Good timing - we've got a President who has experience in handling pandemics.
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You never claimed he handled them well!
Nope, just experience. Nor did I claim he didn't have a hand in helping them occur.
Yes he didn’t do a good job last time so I’m sure this time he learned his lesson as is ready to take action
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In response to an emailed series of questions, a spokesperson for the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said the agency still deems the risk to human health for the general public to be low.
For how much longer can we trust their pronouncements? All the US government departments are under the control of compulsively lying anti-science Nazis.
Lalalalalalalalalala I can't hear you lalalalalalaalalalalaalalalala no such thing as viruses lalalalallalalalalalala it's just a cold lalalalalalalalalalalala vaccines bad lalalalalalalalalalallalalala your grandma lived a long life lalalalalalalallalalalala - RFK Jr
your grandma lived a long life
Hmm.
So hypothetically, is a human avian flu pandemic expected to be like COVID-19, where mostly the elderly get killed?
Or is it like the Spanish flu, which is believed to have killed by inducing cytokine storms, where the disease triggers the immune system to go into very high levels of activity that ultimately cause the human to kill itself? Because there, it was mostly the young and "healthy", who had a strong immune response, that were killed.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mortality_from_H5N1
Review of patient ages and outcomes reveals that H5N1 attacks are especially lethal in pre-adults and young adults, while older victims tend to have milder attacks and to survive.[37][38][39] This is consistent with the frequent development of a cytokine storm in the affected.[40] Few persons over 50 years of age seem to have become infected by H5N1, and very few have died following an H5N1 attack.[41] Instead, the age-fatality curve of H5N1 influenza attacks in humans resembles that of the 1918 Spanish pandemic flu, and is the opposite of the mortality curve of seasonal flu strains, since seasonal influenza preferentially kills the elderly and does not kill by cytokine storm.
Welp. I guess that pretty explicitly answers that.
Grandma may be the one burying people, not the one getting buried.
That's the one you picked lol? Not the no such thing as viruses eh? Well, thanks for correcting part of it I guess.
All sorts of shit could happen with H5N1. Maybe it plays out like H1N1 (Spanish Flu) as you said. Maybe the mutation that makes it transmissible between humans also makes it more like H3N2 or maybe it mutates on its own we get it just in time for the annual flu outbreak and we see a reassortment with H3N2. Or maybe the prevalence of H5N1 in farming communities gives it the chance for reassortment with H3N5 and that is what gives it the ability to transmit from human to human.
H3N2 kills all sorts of old folks.
Research showing the elderly are particularly vulnerable to severe outcomes during H3N2-dominant flu seasons: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7121031/
A study demonstrating how reassortment between H5N1 and H3N2 can lead to highly pathogenic strains: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842136/
Anything can happen homie, it just needs time and inaction.
Edit: structure
Stop spamming for a for-profit search engine company. We don't need to see your ads and they don't need your help.
So tired of seeing this daily "hail corporate" on Lemmy.
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As a dairy farmer myself, im paying extreem attention to all of this. Ive been paying attention to it since we found out about it a year ago. Our response has been absolute garbage and ill be one of the first to call out our absolutely shitty response. Im on the front lines right now. We have not dealt with this problem with the seriousness and attention it deserves.
That being said, this comment chain feels wierd. Like, the discourse im seeing is setting off real red flags right now for me. Im not so sure that lemmy is as secure as i expected it to be.
Im still here and will stay here, but something doesnt feel right about our conversation in this thread right now.
I hope you can figure out what's weird about it and share. It seems like a normal Lemmy thread to me:
- Concerns and questions about public health
- Acknowledgement of the political challenges we face
- People getting caught up on the small details in other comments
- Sarcasm as a coping mechanism
- People apologizing when they've made an error
Don't take the list above as any kind of condemnation; I do all of them all the time, too.
Eh i think it was lack of sleep and a false alarm of the ole spidey sense going off.
But yeah, for a minute there something didnt seem right. now that there are more comments, it all seems good again.
Yeah the comments are pretty rational
... lemmy has misinformation, just like everywhere else. Especially saw it in the lead up to the US Elections
And the bigger it gets, the worse it will become. Lemmy will have an "eternal September" just like every other place
Secure? What makes you believe Lemmy is secure?
It's weird but you can't say what is weird or why.
You what's actually weird? Your comment goes on for three paragraphs and says absolutely nothing but somehow has 50 upvotes. That's very weird
Yeah you are right. Sleep deprivation is the only thing i can blame.
What are some of the best practices and precautions you yourself are taking or can take in this kind of situation? Must be rough though, I'm sorry.
Wash your hands. Dont drink raw milk.
All employees are provided free diposible ppe. Gloves, face masks, face shields. No one really uses them, and from what we know of the virus, the risk even for those of us who are handling animals every day, is very very low. Im not worried about catching bird flu, im worried about my cows catching it. The negative health impacts in humans is small and low. It hasnt crossed over strongly enough to cause us damage.
The farm workers that have been diagnosed with bird flu? It was conjunctivitis, aka pinkeye. Hardly something most people worry about.
But on the other hand, the cows do get sick. Fatality is nonexistant to low, except for the west coast for some reason, but the cows do run fevers and do lose milk production. Its a virus, so the best care we can support our cattle with are supportive. Push water and electrolytes, give medicine to lower fever. And wait. Same as if your kid gets the flu.
And last of all. Do. Not. Drink. Raw. Milk.
If your cat drinks h5n1 infected milk, it will develope brain swelling and die. Currently nothing happens to humans, that we know of. But If all we have to do to prevent that is pasteurization, why wouldnt we? And if a wild mutation is all it takes to get a spillover event into humans, why would we take that risk?
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Making America great again: the USA will be leading the world in new pandemics. By crippling the safeguards, removing science and news... because in chaos and death, dictators can continue to hold power over a fearful and panicked population.
Yey! The American flu...
I'm pretty sure the Spanish flu is also really the American flu...
Those that do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. History has the chance to do possibly the funniest thing ever right now. To be clear, the death of millions is tragic, and hordendous, but historically speaking it's fucking hilarious that he stepped into office and repeated the exact same steps that led to covid spreading so rapidly last time!
What if Trump invented H5N1 so he could have another chance at the whole pandemic thing lol oh man what if Trump and RFK Jr invented H5N1 to drive up the price of eggs so Hilla...Obam...Bide...Harris wouldn't get elected.
Given the fact that D1.1 seems to be more virulent in humans, this could indicate a major change in terms of public health risks from the earlier scenario with the B3.13 strain,” veterinary science pioneer Juergen Richt, a former director at the National Institutes of Health, tells Fortune.
Hopefully it doesn’t amount to anything, but if it does, we’re fucked. States will lose federal funding for even suggesting people take basic precautions.
If nothing happens now, there'll be another chance sub enough. Industrial animal husbandry is pretty much a pandemic generator.
It's a good thing we keep historically unprecedented numbers of live animals in historically unprecedented close quarters. The beef and dairy industry has made some great strides in ending the human race
Oh, the pandemic-industrial complex is back on the menu. We’ve spent decades industrializing agriculture into viral petri dishes, then act shocked when nature mutates around our hubris. Cows are just the latest domino—watch the blame shift to “wet markets” or migratory birds while factory farms keep hosing antibiotics into troughs.
But sure, let’s hyperventilate about proximity to doom. Never mind that zoonotic spillover’s been a ticking clock since we decided monoculture and profit margins trump ecosystem logic. The real virus here? Capitalism with a side of amnesia.
Dairy herds in Nevada
"There are things you must know. The village is dying; the signs are everywhere. Withering crops... dying brahmin... ...sick children."
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A vaccine for chickens exists, that was never required because it would restrict exports to certain countries; hurting profits.
Now we have permanent reservoirs of the disease in cattle and wild birds.
Note that Biden did allocate 1.8B in funding to deal with birdflu in humans over his 4 years.
So basically we had the Biden admin coasting as boat passes the point of no return so as to not upset the capitalists short term profits, and Trump taking over and paddling directly towards the waterfall.
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The virus developed in SE Asia, and had been rampaging through the animal kingdom especially including wild birds for years before it arrived on any farm Biden had jurisdiction over.
How is the current permanent reservoir in the wild anything to do with US policy? I actually completely agree with you that the Biden administration fucked up massively by not treating it as an urgent problem to any degree once it arrived here, enabling it to get a real solid foothold in US farms, but I think you picked a super weird way of framing that valid criticism within facts that don’t exist. When do you think it got established in wild animals and when do you think it arrived on US farms?
(I think the USDA actually bought tons of avian flu vaccine back at the end of Obama’s term, and then no one ever used it because of the export concern and it expired, and that formed a lot of not wanting to do it again. Also, there is disagreement about how good an idea giving the vaccine is, which is the whole reason it causes export issues. But if you are saying that is stupid logic, in the current pandemic environment, I will agree with you.)
I am going by an explanation I heard from a doctor awhile ago, but he seemed to think the reservoir in cattle would have been preventable if they took immediate measures, and that one was particularly threatening.
Hm, yeah, the reservoir in cattle is real bad and it’s all down to not taking the virus seriously all last year. I was just wondering where the pigs and wild birds came from, I hadn’t heard of either of those and the wild birds one didn’t immediately make sense to me.
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I guess its titme to get ready for preventable pandemic part 2: electric boogaloo
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A perfect time to get rid of the CDC and the NIH. Also, let's stop funding medical research. No sharing medical information that might make the ruling dumb shits look bad- thats treason.
Finally a silver lining to a trade war. Shut down those borders and stew in your own bird flu variant.
No. They cannot make Trump Pandemic 2 a thing in this timeline.
I don’t know your names because I am isolated from my memories in here, but once the simulation is over I’m going to slap every single one of you on the so-called “creative” team!
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