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I dont see any more straw man arguments in my arguement than you have in yours.

When there is evidence for why the kid wasnt vaccinated, i will amend my public opinion. Until the reporters or an agency can say definately that the kid died because the family was antivax, i will withold my judgement. Until then, they are a sad statistic in an embarrasing resurgence of a shitty disease.

Odds are very good that you're right, and im appalled that this is happening. but im not condemning them until i have actual evidence. And there is nothing wrong with withholding that judgement. And that is my point.

Inference in this case is only reinforcing your preconceptions and bias. There is no hard evidence in this article.

Wait. Hold up... i get what you are saying.

We dont like "the others" They are "the enemy" "They arent like us." "They should burn for their beliefs and what they do to the rest of us. " "They hurt our communities." "They sicken our people."

Your inference is reductive and crass. It is the excuse of homophobes and racists and facists across the god damn world.

But you didnt realize that at all, did you?

You are so caught up in being right and villifying a community with no actual evidence, that you forgot that there are sick and dying children.

Infer my ass. Where is your empathy?

It doesnt.

It also doesnt say that the kid was the child of anti vax minnonites. It doesnt say that they were poor, or the closest hospital was 45 miles away and they had no car. It doesnt say they were a recent immigrant. That seams like easy ammunition for the right. Would be an easy way to demonize people if it were.

It doesnt say any of that.

It could have been. But you dont know. And neither do i.

See how that works?

I thought making blanket judgements about entire communities or groups of people is something we were supposed to think a little harder about.

And saying they deserve it is also something we are supposed to avoid.

Maybe by imposing my moral standard on others im not making the best argument, but i feel obligated to point it out.

my degree was in journalism. In a past life i was a reporter. Shit job. I have had lots of shit jobs since. I completely understand what you are saying.

But, if they cant explicitly say it, then you probably shouldnt extrapolate. When the evidence is clear, then by all means evicerate whoever you want.

Just because the propoganda is something you agree with, doesnt mean it isnt propoganda. You have been given a roadmap, but you do not have evidence.

I also agree with your point. I know they cant say it out loud. But i draw the line at wishing ill on the parents of dead kids.

And once again, my point is, you dont know if the kid was part of the minnonite community that refuses vaccines, or if it was the neighbor kid. You do not know if there were other factors that prevented the kid getting that vaccine. Poverty, lack of healthcare, or an immunocompromised child.

Show me where in the article it says the kid that died was from an anti vax family. It doesnt.

My point is, poverty and lack of health facilities play a huge role in kids not getting vaccinated. Its outlined in the article i replied with.

This whole thread is jumping to conclusions, extrapolating with no evidence, and condemning the parents of dead kids

It sounds familiar. It sounds. Kinda like... antivaxers.

I suggest you educate yourself before you wish ill on people you know nothing about. That comment is absolutely vile.

Poverty And Lack Of Health Insurance Keep Kids Unvaccinated Too : Shots - Health News https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/20/724468630/the-other-reasons-kids-arent-getting-vaccinations-poverty-and-health-care-access

Dairy farmer here, who fought this crap off when we still didnt know what it was.

Bird flu contaminated raw milk in cats, yeah it will kill the shit out of them. Its what helped us figure out what it was in the first place. Nothing confirmed so far as humans being infected from consumption that i am aware of currently, but i personally wouldnt try it.

The dairy workers that got bird flu. It was pinkeye that popped positive for h5. Probably splashback from either milk or fecal. It wasnt really a big deal other than conjunctivitis sucks.

But if you drink raw milk, you are playing russian roulette as patient zero at this point. Dont do it.

I would argue that the powerlessness is not by design. Its a consequence. It is an immuno response.

It is my sincere belief that the social contract still exists and that, in the grand scheme, all this happening now is the symptoms of a fever.

The social contract is being tested. The system is working properly, if slower than we want. Our immune system is working correctly and the treatment is occurring in real time.

If it is a cancer, we will be dead soon. And if it is a bad case of the flu. Well in that case, our immune system will balance it out. I hope. We arent taking any vaccinations, and the ones we took in the 1940s have worn off.

This can be a booster shot, or a skipped immunization. But we actually have experienced this sickness before.

Dont get me wrong. We are sick right now. But our job is to be the antibodies and white blood cells that regulate the system. Ive still got hope in it.

You know. Its interesting. Like... really interesting. And sobering.

Reading history books about the rise of the nazis and the reich, and you ask yourself, "how could they have not known what was going on?" and "how could they let these things happen?" What were they doing just standing around? Why did they let this happen?

I understand that history is written by the victors. I understand that there is so much we will never know. There is nuance and circumstance and so many things that snowball into the most terrible things.

But now... im starting to understand the feeling of powerlessness now. The inability to change the machines that are in motion. The overwhelming dread.

I could make generalizations of the people of germany in the 1930s. But it would be disingenuous. And unnecessary. It feels like they are my neighbors now in 2025. They are angry, or apathetic, or ignorant. And the machine and history does not care about them in the slightest. History will be written by the winner and we are all going to be a broad generalization of what happens next. Your experiences will be written off as a success for the new order, or as a failure. If it is written at all.

History doesnt teach you to dwell on the minutiae and routines of the common man. It doesnt teach you that, despite everything you may do or what you believe, or how much you loathe the actions of your leaders, that you have so little sway. That you are powerless and ineffective.

I feel that and understand that now.

History books in school taught us the wrong lesson i think. But i dont think that we can learn this experience from a book or documentary. If it could, we would not be repeating it now.

Truly despicable. Seeding to at least 1 to 1 is the bare minimum of courtesy and humanity. If you dont, its unethical

Maybe tires are shoes, and inside the tires, instead of air, there are fleshy discs of sinew and fat, kinda the cars equivalent of an elephants foot padding its all just a meaty sausage ouroboros inside each rubber doughnut shoe.