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So, even if you had been immune, through previous illness, vaccination or via maternal milk, you may not be anymore after having measles.

I had never heard this until today, and it's an absolutely horrifying thought.

You're welcome.

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[–] theangryseal 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I have a cousin who got measles as a kid. She was around 7 I guess. She’s in her 50s now.

She has been totally dependent on her mom and her siblings since. It totally fried her brain. She’s very sweet and everyone likes her, but she was nearly erased.

People ask her any question and can lead her to any answer. “Hey Sheila, I heard you had a million dollars in the bank and you were gonna give me half of it.”

“Yeah, I have a million over at the bank and I’m going to give you half. Mommy will ride us over there and and we go get it. Yeah.”

“Hey Sheila, I was told that you’re pregnant and the baby is coming tomorrow.”

“Yeah I have a baby, it comes tomorrow. I name it Princess. Yeah.”

I mean you can get her to say anything. She won’t cuss though, not directly anyway.

“Sheila, Bobby told me that you said fuck ass this morning.”

“Nooooo. I don’t cuss. I don’t say fuck ass. Them is bad words. Yeah.”

It’s like she’s a little kid but less her own person. She was a bright kid before measles. It sucks because the only reason she wasn’t vaccinated is because she came from the poorest part of WV. There were no doctors where she grew up. Her older siblings had been vaccinated through some measure to vaccinate rural communities. She just missed it by being born too late. Her mom hates herself for it, but she just didn’t take it too seriously until she had to. Her mom is in her 80s now and still taking care of her. She’s a tough woman, still working 45 hours a week. Once she’s gone I’m sure her older sister will care for her.

It blows my mind that there are people don’t take diseases seriously out there in the world.

[–] sanguinepar 1 points 2 hours ago

Jeez, that's sad. I'm glad she at least has family to care for her, but what an awful way for her life to go. And all for want of a little jag.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Yeah, measles are fucking dangerous. They enter through the lungs (or sometimes the eyes), infect cells there and get replicated. They then get scooped up by immune cells called macrophages (part of the generalized immune system, which can react instantly, but can only deal with the "easy" stuff).

Normally this destroys the virus and parts of the pathogen get then transported into the lymph nodes as samples to produce antibodies against (which are needed as targets for the adaptive immune system) . Instead measles jump out of the macrophages and infect the T-cells (one of those 7 types of T-cells are the memory cells, which are "veterans" of previous infections and get reactivated when the same virus pops up again, instantly providing the info which antibody is needed).

The memory cells get wrecked, and with that any immunities you had before AND the ability to produce antibodies for anything. you are immunosuppressed for about 2 years.

There was a study which linked a previous measles infection with about 90% of all illness-related child deaths in third world countries, and is suspected to have caused more deaths in the first world with the damage to the immune system than through measles themselves.

also, if you are very unlucky, you can slowly die years after the measles infection, being sick for about 3 years - it's called SSPE, and it has a 95% lethality rate, and the 5% normally have massive brain damage.

i studied molecular biology (and had to abort my studies about 2 semesters before getting my Bachelor), and the virology courses were fascinating and horrifying at the same time. antivaxxers are uninformed, stupid people, and deserve to experience the same suffering they cause in their children and in society in general.

[–] gift_of_gab 38 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

One of my family members was immune to the vaccine, and couldn't achieve the required percentage of it to actively fight off the measels. So doctors told his parents to have him avoid any large gathering that they could (fairs, pools, etc). So until he was finally able to get his vaccine % above (I don't remember the number) he didn't get to go to those things, and it was because there was an anti-vaxx group in his area. So this poor kid had two options: Risk the terrifying symptoms and side effects you mentioned, and be social, or never go to those events to make sure he doesn't, you know, die.

Fuck those other parents, selfish fucking cruel anti-vaxx morons.

[–] GrammarPolice 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Immune to a vaccine is crazy bad luck💀

[–] TBi 10 points 8 hours ago

It wouldn’t be if everyone was vaccinated though…

[–] Squizzy 1 points 7 hours ago

Blackilicious 🫡

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Great. Just more fuels for my nightmares.

[–] sanguinepar 2 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, sorry about that! 😁

[–] [email protected] 133 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Thank fuck my parents weren't dipshits when I was a child

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Unfortunately having the vaccine isn’t a guarantee that you cannot be infected. Herd immunity can do that, but that requires mostly everyone getting the vaccine.

So, even people that are vaccinated will be affected by people refusing the vaccine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

It's not a 100% guarantee, but it's a 93% to 97% garantee, and even if you are one of the unlucky 1 in 20 that was vaccinated and still gets it, it's a much less severe case, and you're much less likely to spread it.

So it's real close to being a guarantee. It's a highly effective vaccine.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Your facts and science make me sad.

[–] surewhynotlem 5 points 9 hours ago

Reality is often not ideal. But hey, it's all we have

[–] Frozengyro 15 points 11 hours ago

I'm glad mine vaccinated us as well. Then when I had kids, my parents tried to convince me not to vaccinate. Lost a lot of respect for them.

[–] FlashMobOfOne 55 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Even better, as we saw with the outbreaks in Samoa, literally watching people die of it in an epidemic won't convince them that they're wrong.

Time to read up on measles and do what you can to protect yourself. Maybe do polio too while you're out it.

[–] sanguinepar 28 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

Indeed. I'm very glad I'm in the UK, where vaccine denialism is at least a bit less prevalent than in the States. I saw that Texas has an outbreak right now. Scary stuff.

[–] brucethemoose 15 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I saw that Texas has an outbreak right now. Scary stuff.

Texan here, I legit missed this. I can't believe I did; I was literally the first in line to get COVID Vaccines/Boosters. Seems Abbott hasn't said anything, but some local news is.

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/news-alerts/health-alert-measles-outbreak-gaines-county-texas

Gaines County is in the middle of nowhere, but still.

[–] sanguinepar 5 points 8 hours ago

Stay safe! 👍

[–] FlashMobOfOne 20 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, people think the right to free expression means they have a right to have whatever stupid shit they believe in enshrined in secular law here, sadly. And, for the most part, they're right.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I dunno. So I'm legally not even allowed as a tax paying adult to smoke a plant in my own home but if I have a child I can recklessly endanger it's life and or cognitive function as well as the wellness then of my entire community because freedom? Seems like your secular laws are strongly biased towards stupidity.

[–] DarkShaggy 16 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago

Thanks for fact checking! 🌈Da more ya know!

[–] FlashMobOfOne 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

They are indeed. That'll happen when the vast majority of your country's population is religious and doesn't actually believe the shit they can see with their own two eyes, but believe fervently in shit that doesn't exist.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It’s worth reading up on measles. In fact, none of the childhood vaccines are for anything insignificant, they’re all interesting reads. Salk’s story is also worthwhile.

[–] Scolding7300 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

= all the childhood vaccines are for significant things?

[–] TropicalDingdong 11 points 9 hours ago

that isn't incorrect.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

It can also cause permanent brain damage

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 hours ago

Is this where an anti vaxxer would faithlessly argue that said brain damage would be a desirable alternative to autism? smh

[–] gndagreborn 5 points 8 hours ago

Measles is virus of the paramyxovirdae family and one of the horrible consequences of infection is the rare but devastating SSPE, for subacute sclerosing panencphalitis, which is where brain damage comes from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_sclerosing_panencephalitis

Source: sketchy, Robbins and contran.

[–] sanguinepar 17 points 12 hours ago

It's the gift that keeps on giving! ☹️

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

Covid can too, so I don't see these people taking it any more seriously.

[–] roofuskit 92 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, which is why it's so very dangerous and people refusing the vaccine and having fucking measles parties for their kids are dangers to society.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

having fucking measles parties for their kids

Wait. I thought that was just for chicken pox. (You know, since it's "harmless")

[–] roofuskit 3 points 6 hours ago

Nope, the dumb asses took that concept and ran with it for measles because they're stupid.

[–] sanguinepar 35 points 13 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 55 points 12 hours ago

It's insane that people are not vaccinating their children against a threat like this.

[–] Bsher8365 22 points 11 hours ago

If your physician pushes back on providing a measles booster - mine did because we aren’t having a local outbreak currently - you can get an MMR vaccine (as well as most any other vaccine in production) at any travel vaccine center.

[–] Vinstaal0 10 points 11 hours ago

People should vaccinate and daycares should have the option to ban kids. Yes it can then transfer at school, but there is no good alternative for that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

Nows the perfect time to introduce raw milk into their diet!

[–] Valmond 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

So could measles cure my allergies? All other bad things set aside.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Or it could make you allergic to nitrogen

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Something boomers did better than GenX/Y

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

My boomer mother is antivax, the only reason me and my siblings are vaccinated is because we had to be to be in school, and the only thing my mother hates more than vaccines is me and my siblings being in her way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

And we (the xy group) got rid of that requirement by pretending religion is an excuse for public health

[–] B312 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

People are against vaccines on religious grounds?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

It’s what they say to be granted an exemption

[–] DarkShaggy 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Um my boomer parents are glued to Fox News every night and now question the efficacy of vaccines...and thought in general.

[–] WhatYouNeed 3 points 7 hours ago

Dont go away. Here's Bob with sports