WTF...
So what's the point of detecting the weapon after it's out and being used?
Money well spent!
idiots...
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Literally will try anything and everything but gun control.
You got to understand: the gun lobby is strong, especially at the local level. The amount of money to elect someone locally is pennies compared to nationally.
Not only that but often these "solutions" like metal detectors have lobbies of their own.
Gun control doesn't make the line go up.
The only way we'll get gun control is if Luigi's start making a more common occurrence.
I'm not sure it's logistically feasible even if they really wanted to at this point.
This video is less than 10 mins, and uses pretty rounded off numbers, but it's very illustrative of the magnitude of guns in america. Even going beyond any other problems that enforcement would have like non compliant sheriffs and organized resistance.
I mostly agree with the point of the video in regards to the impossibility of it. Didn't recognize the presenter.Found this thread on r/Anarchism.
IDK.
Plus it has Ai! Anything that has AI must be good. For lunch I’m getting a ham sandwich with extra AI.
On the bright side, if an executive order can undo an amendment, the next time a democratic president gets in this should be fun
You know, assuming we have elections
Dems never have the balls to wield their power effectively. They could have a supermajority in both houses and still wouldn't even be able to create an honorary holiday like notional french fry day or some other meaningless gesture.
Well but you need to understand, it had "AI" in the name, and everything is made awesome with AI, so they had to go with it...
It make rich techbros richer and further the surveillance state, you know, very small government type stuff.
Faster emergency response.
That'll be great fun when it starts spitting out false positives and the coppers get called out several times a day because someone was carrying their pencil case in their hands rather than in their bags. The only reasonable solution there will obviously be to ban pencil cases.
Nah, they're gonna ban schools.
Maybe! Given how the incumbent party views education I can see that. At the same time, for-profit schools is a thing too and we can't lose that profit! Think of all the poor profiteers. :(((
If people didn't want their children to be brutally murdered in gun violence they should just breed bullet resistant children. The system is working fine, this is clearly a problem with parents.
You have no idea how many times I, and my son have wished for him to be bulletproof. Id laugh but it's true.
No I genuinely cannot even begin to imagine, I am so sorry you guys have to go through that.
No school. Only farm.
Put the police station in the school. Kids should get used to living in the bipartisan police state anyways.
AI Weapon Detector is a thing? What the heck?
They pay $10.000/month for:
def ai_weapon_detector(img):
return False
Whoa there, it's not quite that simple!
You forgot this bit:
def suspect_search_required()
if (skin_tone.luminance < 0.5)
return random() < 0.1Apparently not.
I thought police in schools would make us safe.... whoops
I thought cameras in school would make us safe.... whoops
I thought metal detectors in school would make us safe.... whoops
I thought AI gun detectors in school would make us safe.... whoops
What's next? Maybe start strip searching students on the way in? We keep getting more and more strict and the shootings keep happening.
Republicans are going to inadvertently stop school shootings through daily transphobic genital inspections
Probably they'll require you to install spyware on your phone "to make you safe"
Maybe start strip searching students
They're already eager to look at kids' genitals in fear of them being trans, so don't give them ideas
You forgot
I thought "official" guns in school would make us safe.... whoops
Definitely don't do anything about the second amendment.
Big brother with a fake sense of security. Who would have guessed?
I'm personally shocked that an AI product over-represented its capabilities. Shocked.
Tragic that people have to suffer to learn this
I feel like this article is discrediting AI to shift blame away from the failure of law enforcement and governing bodies, and place it on AI. It literally says in the article it didn't work because the shooter didn't take out his weapon or use it in view of cameras, but when the cops came and drew their weapons it immediately worked. So it sounds like the AI works fine and we want to blame something other than bad policies for school shootings...
The AI doesn't work fine if it can only tell you there's a shooting while a shooting is taking place. It's a waste of resources and on its face is stupid and useless. It might be working as intended, it might be working to its capabilities. But that doesn't mean it should be there in the first place.
I don't blame the AI for not doing better here. I blame it for being snake oil and I blame those in charge for buying it and I blame society for constantly creating this fucking scenario of doing anything but what is needed.
The basic concept isn't a bad idea, assuming it works and you already have the cameras. If it ran locally at a negligible cost, I'd say it would be a potentially useful tool. But even then, it wouldn't solve the problems, just help identify them more quickly, especially in situations where a gun is in the school but isn't being fired yet. Less useful for an active shooter, more useful for spotting someone flashing a gun, brandishing, showing off to their friends, or even selling.
It would be like a smoke detector, good to have but only as part of a larger plan, and also not something you should be dumping a ton of money into.
I don't think the smoke detector comparison is entirely valid as smoke and fire don't make audible noise in the range of 150dB. Funnily enough smoke detectors only emit 85dB which is 65 times quieter than a gun shot (decibels are logarithmic).
Which is why I said that this would be less useful for active shooters and more useful for other scenarios.
Like finger guns on the playground or a food fight in the cafeteria?
Or like that list of scenarios I mentioned in the post you replied to.
flashing a gun, brandishing, showing off to their friends, or even selling.
These things don't happen very often, but then, neither do fires.
Let me put it like this: If someone was looking at the security cameras and saw a person waving a gun around, do you think that they should say something, or should they just ignore it? If the answer is that they should say something, then there is at least some value in detecting the presence of a gun. After that, it's just a matter of how effective and reliable the system would be, and what it costs to implement. But I'm not arguing that there are any worthwhile systems in existence, only that such a system could have value.
Admittedly not having read the article but I think the idea for the AI is not really to stop or alert anyone to an active school shooting. Maybe it could give a little heads up depending on how the shooter starts.
I think the bigger idea is for it to pick up firearms a kid might flash or have brought in to show off or otherwise brandish but not use at the time. That way you can intervene before a gun gets used but that's just my theory.
Agree on society though, it's very obvious the proliferation of firearms and ease of procuring one is a huge contributor to school shootings and gun violence in general. God forbid we try to rein that in. Let's just treat guns like cars. I have to get a license to drive a car because of how easy it is to kill myself or others with an automobile. When I turn 18 I can go buy an AR-15 with a simple run through a fed background check - maybe not even that, depending on the state and where you buy it - and waltz out the same day with a tool specifically made to kill people. No training, no oversight, no lessons just here's a tool to kill other humans and have fun!
How does that make any sense?
It did make two different cancerous industries slightly rich, though.
The folks who made this a reality are happy to see your kids dead over a contract. Companies didn't do this, because companies don't do things.
Individuals did this.
The perp wasn't brown enough to trigger detection.
Where.
The fuck.
Is the liability.
The AI shareholders should be on the hook for every wrongful death and injury that happened during this shooting.
I hope they eat their own dog food and get Luigi'd.
"Not a hotdog" levels of incompetence
I love how we're just cramming this unproven tech into everything with no regard for efficacy (never mind what might happen if it all gets away from us).
Oh, it's proven. To be ineffective.
Not AI, but similar: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/24/us/shotspotter-cities-choose-not-to-use/index.html
only 9% of ShotSpotter alerts in Chicago were actually gun-related crimes
AI is just a buzzword, we don't have AI, it's just more complex software with decision making built-in.