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I know there was some schism and moving of instances, but beyond that I can’t deduce what happened/is happening.

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[–] ModeratorCan 7 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

This post isn't really broad enough for the intent of the creator(s) of this community (not me) but I'm not one to remove a post that already has active discussion.

That said:

I'll look through but I'm generally here as more an extra set of eyes for the most egregious content, rather than to be deciphering through individual threads. Locking is an option I may have to use and tbh someone else here may still lock or remove it.

I get this is a contentious topic. I don't want to stifle discussion. I prefer to mod passively. I volunteered here because no one else was and I'm already clearly active enough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

I didn’t mean to stir up shit, I was genuinely curious and wanted to… Ask Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 hours ago

The fur freaks are being catty, just wait for the dust to settle.

[–] [email protected] 198 points 18 hours ago (18 children)

Back in December, the instance hosting 196 (lemmy.blahaj.zone) announced that, as part of its mission as a trans-friendly space, harassment based on gender or neopronouns would remain prohibited—even if the user in question was suspected of being a troll. Users were asked to disengage, block, and report suspected trolling behavior rather than bring harassment into a community already vulnerable to that kind of bullying.

There was a small backlash to the policy from some users. This led to a number of “toe the line” posts that weren’t outright gender-based harassment but strongly signaled an intent to misgender or harass in the future. Blahaj admins promptly removed all offending comments during this wave of dissent.

Important to note: The majority of the Blahaj and 196 users supported the policy, upvoting and praising the admins for creating a safe space for trans individuals.

By January, the backlash had mostly subsided, and the trolls causing issues had moved on. However, 196 moderator @moss and their team remained unhappy with the policy. They cited “personal differences” and felt Blahaj admins had overstepped by removing comments themselves rather than allowing 196 mods to address users who openly expressed intent to harass others.

Yesterday, @moss and the 196 moderation team enacted a major decision without consulting the community. They locked [email protected] and instructed users to move to [email protected].

This move was extremely unpopular. Many users strongly dislike lemmy.world for various reasons (a complicated topic better unpacked elsewhere). The announcement post was met with widespread backlash, and @moss eventually locked it. In response, a few users created a new community on Blahaj: [email protected]. The new community quickly grew in size and activity, with most users opting to stay on Blahaj rather than migrate to lemmy.world.

It’s clear @moss and the 196 moderators underestimated the community’s attachment to its home on Blahaj. By attempting to uproot the group without input, they alienated much of the community. As a result, most users have moved to the new Blahaj-hosted community, which has already become the more active space.

TL;DR:
@Moss and the 196 mod team tried to move the community to lemmy.world without consulting anyone. The decision was extremely unpopular, leading to backlash and the creation of a new Blahaj-hosted community that most users now prefer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 31 minutes ago

I was trying to understand who was who and now I know. Cheers

[–] other_cat 4 points 7 hours ago

Fantastic write up. Reminds me of a post on Hobby Drama.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Oof. Rookie mistake. Even if people aren't against a move most people won't follow you to the new site simply because of laziness. It kills communities.

There really should be a life shattering reason to move a community to a new site.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Yup. Clearly, “the admin is going to generally protect trans identities on her instance” didn’t ring as “life shattering” to too many. 😸

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

This comment would probably make for a good crosspost to [email protected]

[–] [email protected] 26 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

on it!

edit: https://lemmy.cafe/post/12094663 thanks again for the suggestion

[–] [email protected] 52 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

Great write-up, thanks. I love a good shit-show. 🍿

Sounds to me like the OG mods could have said “we don’t like how the admin runs things here, we are leaving as mods and starting a new 196 on .world with hookers and blackjack, you guys do what you want here.”

[–] [email protected] 21 points 15 hours ago

Which everyone would think is fine, but that would mean they'd be mods of an empty community, and thus have no power, and that of course made them upset.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 18 hours ago

I genuinely would have had no problem with that, and I think most others would agree with me.

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[–] Stovetop 21 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

They stated pretty directly it wasn't about the Dragonfucker incident, nor did it involve policies on neopronouns. Drag wasn't even banned for anything to do with neopronouns.

I think the move to lemmy.world was a mistake, but I believe them when they say it has nothing to do with the neopronouns policy.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

Yeah I think the above comment is inappropriately tying the issue to a topic they specifically said wasn't the motivation

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[–] DragonsInARoom 21 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

The mod team tried to move everything to .world. No one liked that and now there's [email protected] [email protected] and [email protected] the top two are run by the old mod team, the last one is ran by a new mod team. Blahaj zone and onehundresninetysix are active. (Rip 196.world, gone and certainly forgotten.) The mod team and admin had a drama over heavy handed admin over reach on bans in 196blahaj.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

The mod team and admin had a drama over heavy handed admin over reach on bans in 196blahaj.

That's one way to say it. Another way to say the same thing is disagreement about ban decisions and length of ban duration.

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[–] Alchalide 9 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Onehundrednightysix is stupid. You should have just named it oneninesix

[–] [email protected] 2 points 59 minutes ago

They should’ve called it 197

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Hehe that was one of the first posts -- the creator regretting the name. But the community rolled with it. Somehow that fits.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

The really quick summary is that the mods of the 196 community on blahaj.zone wanted to move the community to lemmy.world, but did not announce it publicly to the users or seek their input, and so when the announcement came out, users of the instance felt blindsided by the announcement, and that lemmy.world was a fairly unpopular choice of instance. The resulting discussion from the thread largely did not dissuade skeptical users and contributed to the feelings that the mods were making a unilateral decision based on their desire and ignoring what the users of 196 wanted, and the decision to keep the original community on lemmy.blahaj.zone locked meant that users who did not want to post on lemmy.world were losing out their community.

This resulted in another 196 clone being created on blahaj, the original 196 becoming unlocked, and so now there are 3 196 communities. The newest one, [email protected], has a particularly high posting rate right now, as users are attempting to assert that community's support as opposed to the ones run by the mods of the original and the lemmy.world communities.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 19 hours ago

Imagine an apartment building. The landlord decides the local city council is too overbearing, and decides to move to a different city. They expect the tenants to move with them.

Problem 1: The local city is known for inclusivity, and the new city is known for being overpopulated and having an overbearing city council. Either the landlord has sinister motives or didn't do their research.

Problem 2: The tenants weren't told of the move before the moving van came, and were given no opportunity to weigh in on the decision. The landlord was calling all the shots.

Problem 3: The landlord sealed the building as they moved, making it impossible for someone else to take over as landlord and keep the building running. There was really no reason to do that.

This went about as smoothly as you'd expect. While the landlords did eventually unseal the building, a lot of people completely lost faith in them and moved into a new apartment building in the same city, but with a new landlord ( [email protected] ).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago
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