Okay, but can we talk about how Star Trek was always “woke”?
Like they didn’t become woke. They always presented the progressive side as utopian.
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Okay, but can we talk about how Star Trek was always “woke”?
Like they didn’t become woke. They always presented the progressive side as utopian.
Woke is the new sheeple. In that...anyone who says is unironically is you know they're an absolute moron parroting the latest talking points they were told to be outraged at.
Woke, you say? Dare I remind people what racial tensions were like when this episode came out in (checks notes) 1968?
Why were people outraged? That's clearly an alien woman and not a black woman that Kirk has his tongue jammed down the throat of. /s
The bad guys were also telekinetically forcing them to do it.
Why am I blanking on "Communist Himbo"? Is that supposed to be Rom?
Yeah, that's my guess. He did quote the Communist Manifesto
Formed a union, charmed one of the most beautiful women in the quadrant, saved that quadrant with a mix of intelligence and courage, raised his son to be a war hero, and eventually became the Grand Nagus.
We Stan Rom in this house.
We Stan Rom in this house.
If you haven't seen Ron's guest appearance in Star Trek: Lower Decks, be sure to check it out. It's a delight.
While leading a labor strike and rejecting his employer's bid to undermine the union with a literal back room deal.
That is always the consensus whenever this is reposted, but I would argue that description doesn't really fit. Rom is too clever and not hypermasculine enough
It’s %100 rom and it’s a perfect description of him
What threw me off was "main characters." If I thought recurring characters were included I would've gotten it in one.
Every societal change that's happened before I was born was just the natural way of things and needs to be preserved.
Every societal change that's happened after I was born is the evil work of the woke devil worshippers destroying society.
If you go back a little in time me you can talk about how rock music and the shaking of hips would destroy society. A little further and it was the first kiss on screen.
This is true of every generation it seems. Here is a supposed quote from King Naram Sin of Chaldea, 3800 years B.C
"We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents."
Now? It’s amazing how people either didn’t know or willingly ignored TOS. Think about the episode with the half and half people, or the first time there was an interracial kiss. Star Trek has been “woke” since the 60s.
Slight correction but TOS didn't have the first interracial kiss. A very, very early one, but not the first.
Not that it makes the kiss mean any less, just a clarification for future reference. So many people are assholes and I've seen them use that oft made mistake to try and discredit everything else someone says.
It is like the second one showing on national tv in the US.
Still pretty woke though.
Huh, didn’t know that. I thought it was the first aired during prime time. So who does that award go to?
So it's awkward to make the distinction ("I think not being racist is the new racism"), but based on that article, it does seem to be the first romantic kiss--I know it's mind control in the episode, stop picking at me mid-sentence--on US television between black and white people specifically. The previous examples were arguably less taboo for their time, being between Hispanic and white and Asian and white partners. They each represent their own milestones.
I think part of the confusion probably comes from the fact that "interracial" is sometimes used specifically to refer to black and white pairings, so when people say it's the "first interracial kiss", that is what they mean. This is an incorrect usage and dismissive of other interracial pairings, but I don't know if there's a more specific word for different pairings and you sound like a creep drilling down into the subject this much, as you can see from this comment right now.
Trying to discuss race as category at all almost always ends with either feeling creepy or really leaning into it in a creepy way. It's about as scientific as discussing skull shape or star signs, it's just so institutionalized that it feels real... Until you poke at it, and realize I love Lucy was both interracial and not, because Reasons™
Who is communist himbo?
I feel like I've asked that before and have already forgot... 🤔
It's clearly Rom.
Edit: I have no original thoughts...
Deep Space Nine wasn't woke because I hadn't been radicalised when it was produced. Your move, snowflake
Every time I see this, I'm reminded of the weird right wing star trek subreddit called r/star_trek
where people disagreed with this. It was wild that they "watched" the same shows where it literally has every single of these characters and went "nah I disagree"
Friendly reminder that /r/Star_Trek was run by the same people who own/run the lemmy instance, Startrek.website.
Which explains... a lot.
For real? That's disappointing. Now I'll make sure to read everything their admins do with that lens. Thank you.
I wish anybody would make something as woke as DS9 again
Yeah!
Weirdly, The Orville is the recently created media that stands closest, in my opinion.
I think it's a far cry from DS9.
And I'm pretty sure I don't share many politics with Seth MacFarlane.
But The Orville genuinely prioritizes asking the audience to reflect on tough topics through a lens of empathy and compromise.
Sisko was obviously space Moses, not space Jesus.
I enjoyed star trek before it got woke. I still enjoy ~~TNG~~ ~~TOS~~ ~~The Cage~~ The intro. There's nothing woke about "space"
Honestly, exploring for exploration's sake (as opposed to conquest or resource extraction) is pretty woke too.
True, but "the final frontier" sounds alot like Manifest Destiny and makes the US look like the humanistic project the federation is. I think star trek plays both teams and actually always wins. It appeals to those who like hierarchical militaristic power structures while giving a utopian one to those unsatisfied with the real ones. Don't get me wrong, I read it as a left utopia but I have my issues and see how people from other points of the spectrum enjoy it too.
The only people who say this shit are people who saw a thirty-second segment on Fox News. Star Trek and Star Wars have been woke for as long as they've existed, and that's partly why they're so fantastic.
I always like to remind people that Star Trek includes the first ever ~~interracial~~ kiss between a black and white person on TV.
It's always been "woke."
(Edited. See Wikipedia article.)
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