Blame the companies, not the customers. I bought a $12 water at a concert and the attendant acted offended I didn't tip. Don't get mad at me.
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This only going to get worse as late-stage capitalism continues to wring every last penny it can out of the working class.
American tip culture is fucked, and it has been for a very long time. Once gas stations started begging for a tip on my soft drinks I figured it was about time to rip the band aid off.
Unfortunately tipping less means wait staff are gonna get fucked -- no way to soften that. We need to get to a place where their livelihoods aren't dependent on generosity.
Wasn't trump talking about making tips tax-free? It's only going to make the problem a lot worse. Maybe the problem getting so bad will reach a breaking point and we're seeing some of the effects of this aggressive push to shove tipping everywhere now.
I know it's bad, but I've become a never tipper when I door dash food... It's just so insanely expensive for what I'm getting. I know I'm the problem, sorry
What's the problem?
That they're using door dash at all.
I can understand that! I won't use it.
Worker advocacy groups are pushing to eliminate the tipped-wage system, while the restaurant industry warns these shifts hurt business and employees.
Imagine having to pay a living wage, burger prices would explode!
Except, for example, there is a 12.82€ minimum wage in Germany and a hamburger ist still around 2€ at Burger King (about 1:1 in $ atm). Food and work safety are stricter too iirc. Workers also have 20 days of vacation minimum (if your work full-time), 60h weeks maximum @ 40h on average, as well as extra pay for night, weekend and holiday shifts. And health insurance is about 200 a month at that income I think.
Edit: Oh, and of course still 5-20% tipps.
You are getting screwed over completely. Anyone who claims otherwise is your enemy.
People who earn tips don't want "liveable" wages. They would hate the pay cut.
We had 150 million people decide to keep things going the way they are. Until a major slice of shit hits the proverbial fan, nothing will change. The American population is too fat, stupid, and lazy to make the change on its own.
I think it's more of a subsidizing thing. In the UK they get all these things and can't budge due to pushback and culture, so they subsidize those costs with cuts to other places, like shrinkflation in the US, and other places. Costs went up to ship their foodstuffs all over the world, buuuut they enabled tipping at POS in the US, getting poor suckers to make up the difference (they hope)
Not an excuse, but if the US put in place the same things the UK has, fast food would lose their biggest cost subsidy for more expensive places like the UK, and prices would actually go up (because the corpo suits can't take a fuckin pay cut obviously!)
Im glad I never eat out due to dietary restrictions. Why does ordering more expensive food entitle a server to more money for doing the same amount of work?
I assume I'm probably just too poor to understand.
When was a kid in the 90s, tip was 10% of the $20 bill. By the time I was eating out a lot in my 20s we left 15% on the $35 because we liked the servers. Now the check is $50 and the "recommended" is creeping past 30%.
Yes this irks me to no end. The tips were going up on their own, so why did the percentage go up?
I am a big believer in tipping and always tip the same way: I start at 18-20% and go down from there, based on service, friendliness, and food quality.
That said, I go out a lot less post-Covid, as the quality of the experience isn't what it used to be. I tend to stick to poke and sushi nowadays, as it tends to be fresher and the service better.
You know the server doesn't cook, right?
Food establishments I am familiar with see tips split/shared between front of house (servers, host, etc) and back of house (kitchen staff)
I'm going to assume you are referring to the food quality being part of the tip. While the server isn't directly responsible for that, their presentation and delivery of the order, as well as attitude and reaction to what I might send back and the resolution thereof, is. If they go out of their way to make me happy, for better or worse, they did their job correctly and deserve the tip.
I mean...
2016, I went to a bar and got a 16oz beer, a burger and a basket of fresh fries for $18. I was happy to throw $3-5 on that for decent service, hell even subparbaervice.
Now it's an 11oz beer being sold as a 12oz beer for $9 and a $22 burger, add fries for $4
If I get 2 beers, it's $50 with a tip.
The fuck?
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You can bet there was some more tolerance for it when there was some guilt for office workers staying at home while service roles had to stay on site during the height of covid.
The fact that so many point of sale make it a default thing to put it directly out there for someone to tip before any service is done and with that decision in view of everyone around doesn't sit well either
I'm so fucking done with it, that I just assume everyone behind me is too. I happily hit that "No tip" button. Unless you provided an active service for me, or went above and beyond to get me something, then why do you deserve a tip? I have to pay you extra money for you to do your job correctly?
It's actually driven moreso by the point-of-sale vendors. They enable it by default, because they make a percentage of the transaction as a processing fee. The merchant has to request that it be disabled.
I only tip at restaurants and when I get my hair cut. All of this new tipping stuff, I have always assumed was just a generic update to enable it basically everywhere... I've always hit no tip... I don't feel bad for it... You're not getting paid 2 dollars an hour working at some random place that's not a restaurant... I've heard stories of employees not even getting those tips... It's a push for greed... That's it
And the default options are 20, 25, 30 some places.
Ive been at multiple places stsrting at 30. Fuck that.
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Inflated prices and a lack of disposible income will do that.
I used to love ordering pizza for delivery, and I'd give like 5-10 bucks as a tip which might be 30 or 50% just depending. But now nobody does their own delivery anymore, I pay extra for the food because they're outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.
Delivery is dead as far as I can tell. All that's left is going through the fast food drive-through which is like 12-15 bucks nowadays. I'd rather just eat at home.
The only time I go out nowadays is when I'm with a friend.
I pay extra for the food because they're outsourcing to Door Dash, and it takes two hours to get a pizza.
It takes 2 hours because they're sending a bid to drivers for your delivery contract, which may also include someone else's delivery on the same route, for a base pay of $2 plus your tip. After enough drivers decline that, they add 25 cents and send it around again. This process repeats until someone (hopefully) eventually accepts it. And – whoops – the merchant''s contract with DoorDash requires the driver to have a pizza bag. So the bid only even gets seen by the subset of drivers who do.
That's $2, plus your tip. And that's if the merchant was nice enough to actually pass that tip along when they outsourced the delivery. They aren't contractually required to do so, and some don't.
As an unpaid independent contractor, if I can see it's an outsourced order (placed through the merchant instead of through the delivery marketplace), I won't even accept it, because it's also going to mean losing 10-20 minutes of unpaid time standing around waiting for the merchant (who sent out the contract way too early) to actually start making your pizza, that they already lied about being ready when they sent a notification to you and to me. It's nearly always a disaster.
Edit to add: Just order from Domino's, they do everything in-house.
When I go out, I usually tip well. My sister used to be a bartender and waitress and she relied on tips.
That said, tipping is really screwed up now. I went to a stadium for a game once and the employee said that they don't receive the tips when you tip for buying a beer or whatever unless it's cash. That's messed up if true.
I used to think Mr. Pink was an asshole, but he was on to something. I wish tipping was eliminated completely.
Mr. Pink was definitely an asshole
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