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NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh says his party will bring forward a motion of non-confidence to bring down the Trudeau government in the next sitting of the House of Commons.

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance," Singh wrote in a letter on Friday. "That's why the NDP will vote to bring this government down."

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Liberals don't deserve another chance, sure, but handing the election over to the conservative party? What the fuck...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Why is it the responsibility of a third party like the NDP to keep up the Liberals in power?

If the NDP can steal and win former Liberal seats, it seems really dumb not to capitalize on that opportunity. It's not like the NDP will form government, nor will the Conservatives lose traction in the next 10 months. There's a Conservative government coming in regardless of how you feel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Except the NDP are unlikely to pick up many Liberal seats and will go from holding the balance of power to having no power. I don’t follow this logic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's not, but when the country is frothing at the mouth over even more unhinged authoritarian/oligarchy leadership than what we have, NDP aren't going to stand much of a chance on their own. All the going to do is drive more people to vote CPC

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Dang welcome to Trump's Canada I guess. Scary times boys

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can this wait until Feb 1? Give Canadians a bit more of a chance to see the US get fucked first.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Parliament doesn't sit until Jan 26, so it won't happen before then.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

First sitting on the 27th, to be exact. Source.

Yeah, I'm panicking a lot less now. And depending on the exact rules JT could prorogue it even further.

Somebody in the media mentioned a Liberal leadership election; if he goes that way I'll be "kalm" again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

A Liberal leadership convention would require ~4-5 months. The Liberals would name an interim leader elected by caucus if JT steps down.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Really? Do you have a link to bylaws or something?

A couple seems like plenty of notice to me under the circumstances.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Maybe when Canada is fed up with the Cons, they'll vote us in!"

Shortsighted buffoons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Singh et al learned absolutely nothing from the Harper era

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Liberals who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters' lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

[–] bluebadoo 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How do you feel about response to COVID and the CERB payments?

Personally, that was a federal win for me.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the NDP who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

The only shortsighted buffoons I see are the Conservatives who have thoroughly failed to meaningfully improve their voters’ lives and address any of the many social crises that are impacting us.

Works with every party.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin's government.

The result was the loss of a number of progressive initiatives Martin's people were working on, the election of fucking Stephen Harper and the most conservative Canadian political landscape since Borden. Science was suppressed, lslamophobia went from being a dogwhistle to a bullhorn, we narrowly avoided economic catastrophy. Harper even fucked with the Census in an attempt to remake Canada.

A lot of dippers really idolized Layton, but honestly he was a shameless opportunist and I don't forgive him for giving us almost a decade of Harper.

And Singh is pulling the same fucking stunt.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Just to remind everyone: Layton pulled this same stunt, toppling Martin’s government.

Refusing to support a sitting government mired in scandal isn’t a stunt—it’s taking a stand. Calling an election wasn’t just the right thing to do; it was unavoidable after the Office of the Auditor General laid bare the extent of corruption. This wasn’t a minor misstep—it was a government blatantly diverting public funds to secure its own re-election. Propping up such a government would have been a betrayal of public trust.

Pinning the blame on Layton because the only viable alternative brokerage party to form government was the Conservative Party is absurd. That’s not on him; it’s on the corrupt Liberal party establishment of the time for destroying their own credibility. A lot of voters are only used to the reformed Liberal Party under Trudeau, but there was a point in time where the Liberal party apparatus was very different.

Let’s be clear: the fault lies with those who abused their power, not with those who refused to stand by and enable it. Misrepresenting this as opportunism is a deliberate distortion of the facts, designed to deflect attention from the real issue—a government that deserved to fall. Just admit you're pro-corruption and move on.

[–] ikidd 1 points 1 week ago

The Liberal party apparatus is different? News to me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Poilievre is winning a majority no matter what, I'd rather get it out of the way sooner instead of sitting through another year of ineffective Liberal virtue signalling.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

There a good chance PP will just get more conservative votes in already conservative areas and still end up with a minority.

At that point he’ll have to find another party to work with and he’s already pissed them all off.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Do you think it is in Singh's power to prevent a conservative government? Do you think it was within Layton's?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"The Liberals don't deserve another chance,"

And Conservatives shouldn't even get a chance, yet Singh is handing them power on a silver plate.

Burning down the country and democracy in the West "to own the Libs" sounds like a plan we may never recover from.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

The Conservatives will win either way. There's nothing in the next 10 months that would prevent the Conservatives from winning short of PP beating up children.

Voting no confidence now allows the NDP to viably compete for seats like Ottawa Centre where the liberals are weak and rebuild their influence and standing in the house. I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party. Waiting 10 months isn't going to cause the NDP to sweep into government, it might at best just delay the inevitable if they're lucky, but more likely delaying will catastrophically wipe out their party by making them look like Liberal stage props.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I don't see why it's the duty of every left-leaning party to prop up the Liberals as the natural governing party.

It's the third party fallacy all over again.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe Turdeau should have fucking followed through on election reform like he promised then.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Yeah, WTF is he thinking? At least wait until October after we've had a chance to put out the Trump fire a bit.

Hopefully it's a bluff to get Trudeau to resign, but that's not really the typical NDP MO.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

WTF is he thinking?

For better or worse, he's probably reached the point where he thinks they need to cut all remaining ties to the Liberals, and not be seen as propping them up, formally or otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

With the Conservatives 20 points ahead in polls, it's definitely for worse.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

~~We're doomed. Probably.~~

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Get ready for one of the ugliest campaigns in living memory.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

One thing that I find interesting.

Singh says he will introduce a vote of non-confidence. Is it possible that he'll delay it for a little bit, to support (or negotiate with) the Liberals for longer than anything Poilievre would have planned.

In other words, could it be to push the CPC onto their back foot for a bit?

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