This is peak licensing
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Wait I though the point of these post-opensource clauses (see also: anti-capitalist licence, WTFPL, etc.) was to scare off the big corporations lawyers and make sure your code won't end up in AWS or something like that? Are Linux distros the only actors who are still giving a shit about licencing?
If you want to scare corporations use AGPL or, if you're feeling spicy, SSPL. Do not use WTFPL, it's too permissive.
Always were.
Big companies care too but only if their cya arm knows enough about software to actually enforce anything. A lot don't.
The biggest problem with such a clause is that it is hard to define "evil", even if it seems clear to you. Some people think that abortion is evil, so are abortion clinics banned from Json? What about the military and weapon manufacturers? Killing is evil, but you all know how the discourse about the military as national heroes that can't be evil in the US goes. What about a service like X - is it evil? Can you define "evil" for a surveillance tool that brands itself as ad tech?
The clause also states that the product MUST be used for Good, which is a higher bar. I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.
Space cops
I'd imagine most things JSON is used for are fairly morally neutral.
a lawsuit waiting to happen. Json has been a real dick lately sending his lawyers after everyone
Yeah I would imagine this is the point
Ask every single person what is the definition of evil and merge all the answers into one definition
That'd be all the things.
You'd end up with Schrödinger's Evil
Every person should act according to their own morals.
OK but how can json have a license? I understand a particular json parser having a license, but how can a specification, which contains no code, even be considered "software"?
Uh define code there. What about when storage and code are both on a machine that considers both instructions and data to be data? Is a spec not a creative work? Is code not just a spec?
It's generally accepted that file formats aren't protected IP, so you can write a compatible reader or writer and be in the clear as long as you reused no code from the original reader/writer. The specification may have licence terms that restrict who you can share the spec with, but you don't necessarily need the official spec to come up with a compatible implementation. Plenty of file formats have been reverse engineered over the years even when the original didn't have a written spec.
fun fact: IBM asked for, and got, an exception from that clause.
I remember when he told that story, it was something like this: one company which I don't want to name, so will just say it's initials - IBM. He also authorised usage for IBM "and it's minions".
Well, IIRC they did work with the Nazis to manage concentration camps and more
https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/ibms-role-in-the-holocaust-new-documents-confirm-t
Did they reveal what the evil task they were using it for was?
They make chips for missiles.
Knowing IBM, probably something to do with Nazis
I guess they'll use JSON when they're building the database to do the next holocaust.
This isn’t talked about enough.
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So do you use JSON for your endpoints?
No we use XML
Oh interesting why is that?
Uhhh.....no reason
can we please pronounce that evil in a British accent: ivil
How does one address the paradox that, as JSON itself is evil, one cannot use it for evil?
(opinions may vary on the above; but it's mine, so nyah nyah.)
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I'll be downloading this one
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