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Here's a copy and paste from the 1933 article:

Rise in Stocks Reflects Confidence He Will Not Disrupt Nation's Affairs

Berlin is settling down to pass judgment on political developments. Politicians, economists and bankers declare there is usually wide discrepancy between the speeches of opposition politicians and the actions of the group when it gains power.

Consequently, it is not believed that Hitler will accomplish a change in the constitution or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates. The government wants to obtain an adjournment of the Reichstag for several months, but it is questionable whether the Centre [Party] will approve of such action.

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[–] LovableSidekick 22 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Good things about Hitler:

  1. He killed Hitler.
[–] Klear 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
  1. Killed the guy who was trying to kill Hitler's assassin right while he was killing him.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago
  1. Also killed the guy that tried to kill that guy
[–] enbyecho 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No no no this time is different.

/s

[–] SPRUNT 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this time English is their native language.

[–] enbyecho 17 points 1 day ago

Are you sure? It's not always clear.

[–] [email protected] 131 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (27 children)

If anyone asks how the Germans could elect a wannabe autocrat populist and how many people could ignore clear signs of genocide going on.

Now you know.

Edit

A lot of people commenting about either my observation not being astute enough, or misinterpreting history in one way or another.

My observation is solely about and how these things happen it's not very conspirational nor institutional, just weaponized anxiety, populism, polarity and apathy.

The particular brand of ideology, or the identity of the perpetrator does very little for the equation. People being selfish and wilfully ignorant as long as they are pandered to.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 48 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We've been watching fascists pile into legislatures from Russia to the UK for decades. It's cute to make everything about Hitler, but this isn't an event unique to '33.

  • Fearmomgering over migrants
  • Secular violence encouraged by colonial powers
  • Stagnating global economies and bottlenecks in critical resources
  • Anti-colonialism in the third world
  • Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

You can find historical parallels in the collapse of Yugoslavia and the Irish Troubles, Modi's rise in India and the Nixon/Reagan reaction to the US civil rights movement, the military coups in Guatemala and El Salvador, the dictatorships of South Korea and South Vietnam...

There's deeper historical roots to Trumpism than just "America made another oopsie cause we're dumb-dumbs"

[–] GuyDudeman 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Those damned Marxists refusing to sit down, shut up, and back the liberal party

Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler's rise to power, but Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis against the Liberals. Why? Hmmmm... Guess we'll never know?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 1 hour ago

Well, they quite literally could have prevented Hitler’s rise to power

By all voting for Hindeburg, the guy who ordered the police to assassinate Rosa Luxembourg?

Stalin decided it was more beneficial to the USSR for the Communists to support the Nazis

Hindenburg thought it was more beneficial for the Conservatives to support the Nazis.

Stalin was the Boogeyman Hindenburg used to justify a fascist government. Purging the Nazis in 1933 was as important to him as it was in 1919.

Twice, Hindenburg sided with fascists to demolish any kind of civil socialist reform in his country. Twice "evil Russians" got the blame for a domestic slaughter.

[–] Dasus 23 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Sure yeah.

The point here is that Hitler is cleraly the most famous crazy dictator. And now, almost 100 years later, it's looking like this Trump fellow is going to be remember quite a lot as well. I don't know about you, but I'm generally slightly afraid, and I'm not even American.

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[–] FlyingSquid 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And my Jewish mother still thinks we're making a mistake by fleeing.

And this being despite her knowing that my father's mother had to get her mother-in-law out of Nazi Germany by sheer force of will and determination in the 1930s, but not without sewing the few valuables she had remaining that the Nazis hadn't seized into her coat.

If my dad was alive, he'd be helping us pack.

[–] ComradeMiao 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Jewish mother still thinks we’re making a mistake by fleeing

fleeing where...?

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 hour ago

The UK where I have dual citizenship. And before you start telling me how awful the UK is for queer people, they're banning conversion therapy and schools do not tolerate bullying queer kids.

[–] TheEighthDoctor 133 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

NYT are notorious genocide deniers and otherwise apologists though... always have been since at least 1930s.

[–] CMDR_Horn 35 points 1 day ago

Yeah; it was after that article where he got a brain worm and went crazy

[–] Iheartcheese 156 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

...the worst impulses of Hitler and the Nazis could be "controlled" or "tamed" once they bore responsibility for leading the national government (rather than criticizing others' administration of it).

I'm sure it'll be different this time around /s

[–] kokesh 76 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's not the same! Hitler tried to overthrow the government with Beerhall Coup before! Wait....

[–] brucethemoose 2 points 1 hour ago

Beerhall Coup

I was not aware of this.

Wonderful...

[–] elbucho 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Man. The writers for this timeline really are lazy pieces of shit. How can they just reuse the same stale plot line and continue to collect paychecks? This show has really gone downhill.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

6/10 simulation some events repeat and there's people with too many gems while there's players who are stuck at the "job" minigame

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[–] RonnyZittledong 94 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ignore the curbing of your own freedoms! We are stomping on the necks of the people you irrationally fear and that is all that matters! History does not repeat but boy does it rhyme.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Julius Caesar elected Praetor. Trade up in the imperial forums. Gauls are poisoning the blood of Rome.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

History doesn't repeat but it sure as shit rhymes!

[–] Lost_My_Mind 73 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Hear that guys? Everything is going ho be fiiiiiine! We're safe in Hitlers hands. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm quite rich. I have a ticket aboard an airship. I'm sure you've never heard of a zepplin. It's like an air balloon, but way cooler. It's called the "Hindenburg"!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Ultimately the deregulation they want will lead to people riding giant gas bombs across the ocean. History is just waiting to repeat itself.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unfortunately your fictional rich guy probably survives, since the majority of the Hindenburg's passengers survived.

[–] Lost_My_Mind 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well.....silver lining. It was the late 1930s. I doubt he's still alive NOW!!!

Bad news is, nqzis for some reason seem to have made a comeback.

I've been downvoted in the past for saying this, but I truely believe we need to legalize murder. HEAR ME OUT.....

If you're a nazi, and I mean a legit nazi, have swastica tattoos, participate in rallys, ect, I think murder should be 100% legal.

You show up, you have a swastica, BANG! One less nazi.

"Oh, did you hear? Lost_My_Mind is a murderer!"

"What??? That's CRAZY??? What happened???"

"Well, we were at a Wendys, he ordered the chicken nuggets, then he was complaining to himself at how small the nuggets were, and how shrinkflation is real......and then a dude with swastikas on his jacket showed up. Lost_My_Mind grabbed a knife and stabbed him hundreds of times."

"Oh.....well what else was supposed to happen? He did the right thing. Well, except for ordering the nuggets. That's just encouraging companies to KEEP shrinking their products....but the murder is fine. Could have used the blood as a dipping sauce!"

"Ew, no!"

"You're right. That's the line. That went too far. We found the line, and that line is lite canabalism. You can kill nazis, but not eat them."

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[–] masquenox 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well, he didn't disrupt the nations's "affairs." The allies started doing that in 1942.

[–] Sanctus 45 points 1 day ago

Yeah its not gonna be okay

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They also did an editorial piece on each US nominee and in trumps they said they don't think he will actually be the end of democracy. Let's see how that ages

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[–] jeffw 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I heard Germany had really bad inflation before Hitler. Since we’ve seen so much inflation lately, has anyone considered bringing Hitler back?

[–] CosmoNova 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The german book and movie "Er ist wieder da" (He's back) is exactly about that. Just before his death, Hitler is transported through space and time to 2010s Berlin and quickly takes the country by storm again. The kicker: A lot of the scenes are just with real people interacting with the Hitler actor in full costume and the things they say and do is unbelievable. It really shows there's a Hitler in every single one of us and if he really returned, it would likely play out exactly like that. I cannot recommend it enough.

[–] spankmonkey 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It really shows there’s a Hitler in every single one of us

No, it shows there is a Hitler in a lot of people, not in everyone.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey, those assholes are ripping off our present to fill their history!

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[–] cm0002 22 points 1 day ago

or that [Reich Minister of Economics Alfred] Hugenberg will bring about a general reduction of interest rates

Huh, I wonder how long we've been complaining about interest rates. Maybe there's a clay tablet out there complaining that mortgage rates are too high lol

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