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Disposable vapes are indefensible. Many, or maybe most, of them contain rechargeable lithium-ion batteries, but manufacturers prefer to sell new ones.

To make a point about how wasteful this practice is—and to also make a pretty rad project and video—Chris Doel took 130 disposable vape batteries (the bigger "3,500 puff" types with model 20400 cells) found littered at a music festival and converted them into a 48-volt, 1,500-watt e-bike battery, one that powered an e-bike with almost no pedaling more than 20 miles. You can see the whole build and watch Doel zoom along trails on his YouTube video.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I would design the pack with a thermal fuse of about 60 degrees C stuck between each 3 cells.

This way if one of those crappy cells start overheating the fuse should prevent it from going into thermal runaway.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

It should be mandatory that all electronics be recycled by the manufacturer or seller, and the cost of recycled should be reflected on the product price.

[–] Gammelfisch 19 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Hats off to the dude for not wasting the batteries. However, I would not want ass and balls near those cheap Chinese made lithium batteries.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

aren't pretty much all Li(Fe)Po cells made cheaply in China?

[–] Lemminary 9 points 18 hours ago

That's a fair point, but I still don't want them near my taint!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

To be fair the supposedly reusable pod kits only lasted me about a month or maybe two before whatever sensor that activates it when you draw breaks (what's wrong with buttons) .

That said all these disposables should at the very least be rechargeable it's truly stupid to buy something with a single charge I bet half of these are sold at about 60 percent or so battery and who will know.

[–] thejoker954 2 points 9 hours ago

Any disposable I've bought that doesnt have a recharge port the battery was dead with at least 20% ejuice remaining.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I much prefer buttons, except the one time a button got stuck and it continued to heat until the plastic melted in my pants. Shit needs a safety shutoff too.

Honestly the entire idea of disposable vapes should be scrapped.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Honestly the entire idea of disposable vapes should be scrapped.

I think I know to which european union you can write a letter to to ban them

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I actually had that with the first ecig I ever bought with the draw activation (looked like a cig but blue light, itactivated in my pocket and I needed to throw it sharpish).

Yeah agreed nothing should be disposable with a lithium battery. I've just the feeling a lot of vapes are just designed to die as fast as possible even when it comes to reusable stuff .

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yeah, disposable vapes should be made illegal, not only are they lowering the bar for the access because they're cheap and accessible to minors, not only because they are an e-waste, but because it wastes valuable lithium, also those are perfectly chargeable batteries, is a bit fucked up that it's more profitable to use rechargeable lithium batteries than something disposable

[–] TheEighthDoctor 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My evil side wants them to be more popular where I live so I can collect massive amounts of lithium batteries for free

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[–] TheGrandNagus 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Disposable vapes will be banned in the UK starting in June 2025.

Based.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They should never have been allowed in the first place

[–] TheGrandNagus 2 points 9 hours ago

I'm angry it took this long. Should've been banned the second they came onto the market.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just wanted to comment that this should happen faster than in a few years... and then checked the calendar

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Perhaps it's odd, but I have never seen anyone use a vape in public. Nor have I seen one just lying on the ground. I maybe need to get out the forest here and visit civilization for a bit again.

[–] XeroxCool 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Despite the larger size and bright colors, they're a bit more discreet than cigarettes. Most places that ban cigarettes equally ban vapes, so they're often concealed more. That probably has a spillover effect to areas they're allowed. They're only activated when sucked, so, unlike a cigarette that's burning whether you suck it or not, most people take a puff or 3 of vape and then go a few minutes without it. It's not as obvious as a person deliberately smoking one whole cigarette.

But maybe they're not around you. I think the other comments covered the locations well enough, sarcasm included. But if you suddenly smell something sweet like fruit or cereal, casually take a look for someone vaping

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I've seen pictures of them. Just haven't seen one in the real world nor seen one tossed on the ground. I do suspect they just aren't popular around me. Smokers around here probably prefer real cigarettes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Eh, my coworker alternates between cigarettes and vape, and plenty of people vape or smoke in the parking lot here.

I've never seen a vape on the ground though, I think most at my office don't use disposable vapes.

[–] thedirtyknapkin 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

really? they're almost as common as cigarette butts once were now. are you a hermit?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

I've never seen a discarded vape, but I've seen a lot of people vaping, as well as a lot of cigarettes and butts. That said, I spend almost zero time downtown, so my exposure is mostly my work parking lot and a few stores.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

I wouldn't claim to be all that enamored of humans as a rule. But I'm not a hermit in the classic sense.

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[–] normalexit 15 points 1 day ago (5 children)

They are super common where weed is legal. People fly into somewhere like Denver for the weekend to catch a show. Rather than buying a reusable battery, they will get a disposable vape (and probably some gummies).

Then it ends up in the landfill or as litter. I am in favor of making these one time use electronics illegal (along with single use plastics like balloons, plastic silverware, etc.. but that is another thread)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

They aren't even disposable, so it's crazy to me how they can be sold as such.

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[–] jose1324 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah. Have you ever been outside?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

I probably spend more time you side than you do. I just mostly do it in a forest.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Go to a nightclub sometime. Discounted vapes in the outside areas are a tripping Hazard.

[–] EnderMB 7 points 1 day ago

Gigs and concerts are pretty grim for this now too.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I guess you’ll have to start spending more time in high school bathrooms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

I had that misfortune when I was teaching math at my local school for 4 years.

[–] PunnyName 93 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Those little colored flavored vapes are IMHO one of the worst vapes. Once they're done, there's no replacing the flavor. I see them often at the rehab I work at. I've seen some with replaceable flavor cartridges, but those are also bad due to the excessive plastic waste.

I'm all for vapes as a means to quit, but they're also excessively used as a means of maintaining the habit.

[–] EvilBit 44 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I’m not a vape user, but the model is the kind of thing that just makes me so angry.

In a world that makes sense:

  • small, mostly metal vape chassis
  • rechargeable, replaceable battery
  • built-in glass reservoir with charging valve
  • vape juice sold in medium to large recyclable cans with standard interface to the charging valve

In a world where Profit is God (the real world):

  • disposable chassis
  • disposable battery
  • if it’s refillable at all, it’s via non-recyclable, mixed material, mostly plastic, proprietary cartridges and you can save 5% if you subscribe online for refills, 10% if you pay yearly, $5 credit if you refer a friend on social media using hashtag #smoovape
  • probably gives you turbo cancer because the juice is made in a repurposed Freon plant that was inadequately converted and they just don’t answer the phone when the FDA or EPA call
[–] BowtiesAreCool 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

We used to have a great vape market for those types of vapes. Since 2020 state and fed government has rinsed the market “for the kids” and basically created what we see now, a market of 98% disposable sold by overseas companies. Before that there were countless brands making batteries, tanks, etc. now a lot of smoke shops don’t even sell refillable vapes or liquid.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah it's a shame. I've been vaping for 14 Yeats now and seen the whole story unfold. It really sucks.

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[–] snowcrushed573 16 points 1 day ago (16 children)

I so so want to purchase an ebike.But the companies don't seem likely to stick around for long though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I'm going to build one. Total cost will be >$1k for the mid drive motor and battery (not counting the bike itself), but it'll be way faster than the street legal stuff they sell at stores. They're dead simple since they're just bikes with a motor and battery pack, so any shop could work on it.

If you want something cheaper, there are other simple retrofit options as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

My problem with Ebikes is the number of regular bikes stolen in my area. No way I want to haul a ebike up and down my basement stairs a couple times a day to secure it.

[–] roguetrick 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You pretty much should only buy one from a shop that has a physical location near you and can do repairs. Like everybody around me sells Trek, so if I ever got one, it'd be a Trek with a Bosch motor. Bike shops will not repair ebikes they don't sell, even though they'll repair regular bikes. And neither Trek nor Bosch are going anywhere.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago

cool! in no time at all, disposable vapes will usurp cigarette butts as the #1 form of litter across the globe! but in all seriousness, god bless this guy. hopefully his example will inspire people to be slightly less careless and slightly more cognizant of how they dispose of their waste (audience laughter turns to applause)

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