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[–] Iron_Lynx 4 points 8 hours ago

Non vegan here. πŸ€”

Soooooo honey is not extracted directly from the bees, so that would be an argument to declare honey vegan.

On the other hand, even with modern beekeeping tech and modular hives, one could argue the act of taking honey to be a serious intrusion on the bees' life, so that could be an argument that honey is not vegan.

One could argue where the line lies with eusocial organisms. Do you consider the individual bees or do you consider the whole hive? Whole hive? Honey may not be vegan. Individual insects? Honey could be vegan.

It really depends on your standards. One vegan friend of mine does drink mead (honey wine, for the uninformed) for instance.

[–] iAvicenna 10 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 day ago (41 children)

Stupid discussion. It does not matter whether something is in the box "vegan". Ask yourself why you would or would not eat something. If you don't want to eat(/drink) dairy because of the way the animals that produce the dairy are treated, would you be ok when they are treated differently? Are bees treated in the same way? Does it matter if you treat them in this way? Those should be your questions, not "does it belong in this box?".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

This question is still valid from a marketing standpoint. If you're selling honey, are you able to advertise it as vegan?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Entirely true. My favorite stupid argument is about lab-grown meat. People don't seem to understand that veganism is practiced for a variety of reasons. Is lab-grown meat vegan? It depends on the vegan.

My rule of thumb is that I'll eat it as long as nothing was permanently injured or killed to make it. Factory farmed eggs? Nah, I've seen videos of macerators. My neighbor's chickens' eggs? Hell yeah, I'm friends with those chickens

ETA: then there's the breast milk "debate." Can't tell you how many times I've seen numbskulls try to argue that breastfeeding isn't vegan because "milk is an animal product"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Like all ideologies idiots stick to the rules while forgetting the actual meaning behind them. Compare how Christians act to what their Christ taught.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Sorry, is this post satire or are you talking about satire you did not recognize? NEVER seen a vegan call breast milk non-vegan and have in fact actually seen more discussion about whether vegans should be breastfeeding children at all, I.e. is it healthy to do so with their diet.

You've put the word debate in quotation marks flippantly like there's an obvious answer, but I'm pretty sure you just misunderstood a conversation rife with sarcasm or taken out of context (or straight up made it up).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yeah, I've never seen a vegan say that either. Didn't say I did. It's always carnists trying to catch vegans on some imagined technicality so they can pretend they're hypocrites. I put the word "debate" in quotation marks because there isn't oneβ€”it's not a debate if one side is founded entirely on ignorance of the other's position

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think the point was that some numbskulls try to pull a "checkmate vegans" claiming that. You probably know the type, obnoxiously trying to butt in on vegan discussions and go "but if you're fine with breastfeeding, you're not really vegan", misunderstanding (or misconstruing) the motivations in the same vein as mentioned before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

It just struck me as weird. Really strange thing to add in an edit considering the rest of the post, just extremely confusing in context.

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