I choose to believe all the studies that say coffee is healthy and none that say it is not. I won’t change my coffee drinking habits regardless, so best think positively?
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2024-11-11
You do you, but doesn't this remind you of the fake tobacco industry "research"?
Coffee, wine, chocolate... it feels like every day there's a new study showing how they're either great for you or how they're giving you cancer.
Why not both? They might be all true. It is totally possible something reduces your chance to get diabetes but increases your chance for liver cancer.
Most of these do not account for socioeconomic status of the test subjects or people willfully ignore them for a better narrative in derivative articles. They therefore boil down to: "people who can afford nice things live longer" Which would not be a great headline.
Much like the way we were told for ages that a glass of wine every day was good for our health. I think the latest research is showing no evidence of that, but rather that any amount of alcohol raises the risk of cancer.
People who drink moderate amounts of wine regularly tend to have higher income, and thus better health in general. At least that's the last generally accepting hypothesis I last saw.
A problem with the older studies that seemed to indicate that alcohol had health benefits was also that their control group, the people who didn’t drink, turned out largely not to do so because they already had severe medical problems. They weren’t allowed to drink because of them.
Compared to them it looked like the people who did drink were more healthy on average. So they concluded there must be health benefits to drinking alcohol.
This “Science VS” episode is about that (and has a bunch of citations in its transcript): https://gimletmedia.com/shows/science-vs/llhdgj
The era of that was also the first time these studies were being done predominantly with non-smokers. It was hard to disentangle the health effects of smoking with everything else. Smoking rates drop through the 80s and 90s, and wine and coffee suddenly look pretty good compared to how bad we thought they were.
than just perking you up
It doesn't, if you're a regular drinker. Rather, you get withdrawal symptoms at morning.
Then you get mornings like today. Do I feel like shit because of withdrawal symptoms, or do I feel like shit from lack of sleep
But the real question is; is it the caffeine that helps or the bitter drink? Barley coffee helps me there, more than the mild zichorie.
Lucky for you both your problems have the same solution
I drink coffee but I put no faith in this reports that always seem to go one way or another. Just drink it in moderation. It wasn't that long ago a glass of wine a day was considered healthy too.
It isn't anymore?
The latest few reports have linked even mild drinking to increased cancer risks.
More specifically, the more recent studies analyze non-drinkers in two categories: those who just choose not to drink (generally healthier than even light drinkers), and those who don't drink because they have serious health conditions incompatible with drinking or people recovering from substance/alcohol abuse issues who (generally much less healthy than light drinkers). By separating those who don't drink versus those who can't drink, the studies reverse earlier findings that non-drinkers are less healthy than light drinkers.
No, alcohol has always been toxic. just like tobacco. Might see the same restrictions on their ads in the future.
It’s also linked to me having an anxiety attack before the day is done. Talking from experience.
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I've drank quite a few more than just 3, so I'm basically indestructible
Direct link: https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article-abstract/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgae552/7754545
tl;dr: Cardiometabolic multimorbidity is the co-occurrence of two or three cardiometabolic diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and stroke. This study found that habitual coffee or caffeine intake, especially at a moderate level, was associated with a lower risk of new-onset CM.
Seems like a bit of a reach. Habitual caffeine intake means that you won't get both diabetes and a stroke? I'm not convinced this is useful information.
I drink 6... Is that twice as good?
Mathematically it works out to half the ~~cancer~~ type 2 diabetes and stroke.
Edit: Fixed the disease
So, is this based on the model where infinite coffee make you immortal?
Yes yes, studies show this, studies show that. And they all contradict each other, especially if you just wait a few years for things to come full circle.
It's gotten to a point where I just don't believe them any more.
Maybe coffee does in some circumstances with some people have a link to preventing diseases. Or maybe not.
We've seen, and will continue to see, well researched scientific studies that argue both sides of this, until the end of history.
Believe whatever makes you feel better, that's all you can do, really.
That's the journalists that inflate the meaning of these studies. The study itself will just say "we did measurements like this, here's the data" and probably even "we should do more studies to confirm or deny or narrow it down".
That's the journalists' fault. They have no business going through studies like this, that are not meant for them to make conclusions.
Believe whatever makes you feel better, that's all you can do, really.
Just stop spreading this bs, and stop reading news like these. Believe what accredited sources tell you, like your doctor or other professionals
I remember when "studies said" a glass of wine each day (week?) is good for your health.
I look forward to a solution to whatever disease causes people to try and talk to me before I've had my coffee.
That's about caffeine, not coffee exactly, also beware studies that say 'might'.
Per day***
The headline makes it seem like it's per lifetime or something.
Considering that coffee is probably the highest source of antioxidants in a person's diet, there will be some health benefits. Just dont add dairy milk to it, or it will blunt absorption. Soy milk is fine.
But if you're an overweight, overworked, stress filled couch potato who doesn't exercise and eats poorly, then you're health is screwed regardless of how much coffee you drink 😂
I didn't really understand the abstract, I'm affraid. Is CGA the same thing as chlorigenic acid and is that the antioxidant you're talking about? Also, did they test coffee with a little milk? The abstract makes it sound like they tested coffee without milk and coffee made entirely of milk, which doesn't happen in real life. I am confused.
Well...I drink decaf. The internet seems to think coffee=caffeine. I can never find info about drinking decaf coffee.
That’s because decaf drinkers die within 30 days.
LOL. Guess I'm on borrowed time.
You have to read the articles about these studies. I’ve seen several where a control group with decaf also sees benefits, so maybe
Do not enable me!
I was curious about why all of the authors of a study from Oxford University seem to have Chinese names. I didn't find any of their names in a search of Oxford's staff, either.
I have no idea what this means, but maybe the study was actually conducted elsewhere using data from the UK? Maybe there are just a ton of graduate students from China at Oxford in their life sciences program? I'm not insinuating any sinister, it just seems odd and I was trying to understand why.
The study isn't from Oxford. It's from a team of Chinese scientists (likely in China) who used a large dataset collected in the UK.
The study is published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, which the Oxford Academic collects and reproduces for their academic press.
Scandinavia has one of the highest per capita consumption of coffee, maybe it's just a correlation with healthcare /s