I'm 4 times healthier than this, apparently.
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just science related topics. please contribute
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I look forward to a solution to whatever disease causes people to try and talk to me before I've had my coffee.
I was curious about why all of the authors of a study from Oxford University seem to have Chinese names. I didn't find any of their names in a search of Oxford's staff, either.
I have no idea what this means, but maybe the study was actually conducted elsewhere using data from the UK? Maybe there are just a ton of graduate students from China at Oxford in their life sciences program? I'm not insinuating any sinister, it just seems odd and I was trying to understand why.
The study isn't from Oxford. It's from a team of Chinese scientists (likely in China) who used a large dataset collected in the UK.
The study is published in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, which the Oxford Academic collects and reproduces for their academic press.
than just perking you up
It doesn't, if you're a regular drinker. Rather, you get withdrawal symptoms at morning.
Then you get mornings like today. Do I feel like shit because of withdrawal symptoms, or do I feel like shit from lack of sleep
But the real question is; is it the caffeine that helps or the bitter drink? Barley coffee helps me there, more than the mild zichorie.
I drink coffee but I put no faith in this reports that always seem to go one way or another. Just drink it in moderation. It wasn't that long ago a glass of wine a day was considered healthy too.
No it wasn’t that long ago https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6099584/#:~:text=The%20tannin%20extracts%20improved%20cardiovascular,myocardial%20infarction%20and%20its%20prevention.
And it’s been cited in more recent blue zone study as well.
This isn’t a ticket for an alcoholic to go off drinking, they’d probably be best off still abstaining as the benefits would be obliterated by the negatives.
It isn't anymore?
The latest few reports have linked even mild drinking to increased cancer risks.
Woah, guess i'm out of date.
No, alcohol has always been toxic. just like tobacco. Might see the same restrictions on their ads in the future.
The issue is a lot of teetotalers don't drink anything because of their existing health conditions, really bad obesity, hypertension, liver problems, etc. So those that don't drink at all are actually less healthy than the average population, and those that drink in moderation are obviously healthier than those who drink a lot. So the results look like moderate drinking is the most healthy but there's an (or a lot of) omitted variable bias.
There's unsubstantiated and nonsensical assumptions in your comment starting with assuming that anyone who doesn't ingest alcohol does it to avoid exacerbating current health conditions, leading to those that drink moderately being healthier than those who don't drink. That's absurd.
I'll make an assumption of my own. A significant portion of your identify and social life is in "moderate" drinking and you're very keen to justify that as "healthy."
Alcohol is a toxin.
Many toxins have medicinal uses.
Please demonstrate the relevancy of your comment by citing medicinal uses of ingesting the alcohol in alcoholic beverages.
I know you’re hair splitting but there are benefits to other elements in alcoholic beverages. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6099584/#:~:text=The%20tannin%20extracts%20improved%20cardiovascular,myocardial%20infarction%20and%20its%20prevention.
No need to get sour that occasionally recreational use crosses over into medical use. We don’t make these rules.
I was talking about toxins in general in reaction to yout toxin comment. I think it's logical to research the possibility of alcohol having some beneficial effects, the world is not black and white.
When it comes to studies of health risks/benefits of alcohol, they unfortunately seem to suffer from the same shortcomings as other health studies: lots of important factors are often ignored, like the type of alcoholic beverage consumed, lifestyle connected to the type or amount of alcohol, previous history of alcohol use... I can, of course, give you a link to a study that finds benefits to moderate alcohol use (although they are far from recomending it). Here's one example from 2023
Personally, I think alcohol probably does more damage than benefit even in moderate dosing, but the truth is we still don't really know and we need much more in-depth studies to find out.
Considering that coffee is probably the highest source of antioxidants in a person's diet, there will be some health benefits. Just dont add dairy milk to it, or it will blunt absorption. Soy milk is fine.
But if you're an overweight, overworked, stress filled couch potato who doesn't exercise and eats poorly, then you're health is screwed regardless of how much coffee you drink 😂
I didn't really understand the abstract, I'm affraid. Is CGA the same thing as chlorigenic acid and is that the antioxidant you're talking about? Also, did they test coffee with a little milk? The abstract makes it sound like they tested coffee without milk and coffee made entirely of milk, which doesn't happen in real life. I am confused.
It's one study of many showing this effect. I believe they suggest that the protein in milk is the culprit. The same effect applies to tea... Adding dairy to tea reduces its health benefits.
I do get that, I was interested in the amount of milk and the name of the healthy things it blocks from being absorbed - there might be more than one, right?
You'd need to explore the topic in further detail, as I'm sure the answer is there.
It may be dose dependent, but it may also be that a "splash" of milk might not impair absorption by much, but would anyone use just a splash of milk?
Per day***
The headline makes it seem like it's per lifetime or something.
Well...I drink decaf. The internet seems to think coffee=caffeine. I can never find info about drinking decaf coffee.
You have to read the articles about these studies. I’ve seen several where a control group with decaf also sees benefits, so maybe
Thanks. I'll look again.
That’s because decaf drinkers die within 30 days.
LOL. Guess I'm on borrowed time.
Do not enable me!
It’s also linked to me having an anxiety attack before the day is done. Talking from experience.
Coffee, wine, chocolate... it feels like every day there's a new study showing how they're either great for you or how they're giving you cancer.
Most of these do not account for socioeconomic status of the test subjects or people willfully ignore them for a better narrative in derivative articles. They therefore boil down to: "people who can afford nice things live longer" Which would not be a great headline.
Why not both? They might be all true. It is totally possible something reduces your chance to get diabetes but increases your chance for liver cancer.
Scandinavia has one of the highest per capita consumption of coffee, maybe it's just a correlation with healthcare /s
I choose to believe all the studies that say coffee is healthy and none that say it is not. I won’t change my coffee drinking habits regardless, so best think positively?
You do you, but doesn't this remind you of the fake tobacco industry "research"?