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[–] drdabbles 272 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It's also just an outright lie. But, I guess that doesn't matter anymore.

[–] [email protected] 182 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's not all electric, some of the train is just regular matter

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wait until you learn how molecular bonds work...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure that part's electric, but what about the bonds keeping the quarks of the train together?

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[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 25 points 2 months ago (3 children)

this is the internet I don't learn

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[–] Thrashy 95 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

I did a little digging and it seems like there's a tiny kernel of fact at the core of this giant turd of a hype-piece, and that is the fact that they electrified this little spur line from Berlin to the new German Tesla factory by using a battery-electric trainset. Which is not a terrible solution for electrifying a very short branch line that presumably doesn't need frequent all-day service, even if it's a bit of a janky approach compared to overhead lines. But hand that off to the overworked, underpaid twenty-two-year old gig worker they've got doing "editing" at Yahoo for two bucks an article, and I guess it turns into "world-first electric wonder train amazes!"

For a second, though, I read the headline and wondered if Musk and co. had finally looped all the way around to reinventing commuter rail from first principles after all these years of trying to "disrupt" it with bullshit ideas like Hyperloop and Tunnels, But Dumber.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago

it's the Mireo Plus B from siemens. it's already in use in the north of germany since march of this year.
https://www.nordbahn.de/blog/so-isses/der-norden-begruesst-die-akku-zuege/

there's nothing elon about this train, just that it's driving to his factory.

they are great for short distances that are difficult to electrify.

[–] drdabbles 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I guess if by a kernel of truth you mean an existing train was used on an existing track, then you could almost make it make sense? But since all of this existed before, it's just a lie.

I'll also point out that anybody introducing battery electric trains instead of just electrifying the remaining parts of rail is making an astoundingly bad choice, but that's almost certainly Germany and not Tesla.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's yahoo news. It's pure clickbait. Idk why they do this they have some decent other services.

[–] TheTechnician27 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yahoo! News is an aggregator like MSN (and has very few original articles), and thus the quality varies widely based on the source. Here it's some outlet called TCD.

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[–] [email protected] 221 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Just wow… So if you look closely at the picture, you can barely see the number '563' on the train. If you have a look at list of locomotives and railbuses iof DB on Wikipedia, you can see that this train is a Siemens Mireo.

Now, let's take the headline apart. Is it the first all-electric trai… no! Is it the first accumulator train? Also no, as you can see in the list above, the class 515 exists and the Stadler Flirt Akku has been used on a line since October 2023, Is it the first Siemens Mireo Plus B being used? You guess what, nope. As an example, SWEG is using some of them to bridge non-electrified parts of the track since April 2024.

So finally, what is special about the Gigatrain? (gosh, I actually really dislike that name) In February 2024, the subsidary 'Smart Train Lease GmbH' of Siemens Mobility has been announced. There you can also lease two Siemens Mireo Plus Bs. Tesla is their very first client. That's it

Whoops, got longer as expected. In case I made small mistakes, feel free to point it out

[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 months ago

Train nerds are a weird bunch.

Please never change.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So. It's Teslas first train. That they bought?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

True innovators

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago

Also if you read the article, it becomes clear that they just copy and pasted the entire thing from a tesla fanboy Blog. It's this one: https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-all-electric-giga-train-in-germany-takes-first-trip/

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[–] FlyingSquid 110 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

They aren't saying it's the first electric train, they are saying it's the first all electric "Giga Train".

It's like how Bros kept trying to imply it was the first gay movie, or even first gay romcom, but it was the first gay romcom that was created and released by a major studio whose initial release was a "wide" release in more than one country.

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The train also only runs between Erkner Station, and Tesla Sud, which is literally just the station right at the Tesla manufacturing facility in the area.

"It's also free to not just Tesla employees, but regular passengers as well."

That's great and all, but are everyday people taking trains to go see the outside of a Tesla factory, then leaving again?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago (1 children)

lol. They’re promoting their employee shuttle. Classic Felon.

[–] Delphia 28 points 2 months ago

Well I mean, it IS a step up from my current jobs policy which is "Yes you need a car to get here, no we arent providing one and if you don't have one you don't have a job"

[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What the... this is so infuriating to a railfan. It's like they are trying to attach a 2x viewer multiplier by putting Elon-related keyword in it when Tesla has so little to do with it.

It's not a Tesla train, nor a battery from Tesla, nor operated by Tesla, not even a new route (but granted an expanded timetable)

I wish media hyped trains like this in general and not limited to implicitly attributing it to Musk (who made hyperloop specifically to distract from High Speed Rail, mind you)... "GIGA TRAIN brings commuters to work", "Hyper train first electric regional service in California - you won't believe the capacity!"

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[–] recklessengagement 72 points 2 months ago

Generally, I'm against violence towards journalists - but dishonest and manipulative headlines like this tend to make me reconsider my stance, if but for a moment.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Now, imagine this revolutionary improvement: Find a way of putting the energy source outside of the train somehow, and save on weight by not hauling those heavy batteries around.

Christ, the amount of times techbros and tesla fanboys have accidentally "invented" trains and trams these past few years is beyond stupid..

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Based on this dumpster fire of a headline, I think the take-away can only be that Siemens and other train manufacturers have to start calling their trains "OMEGA RAIL" and "CHUNGUS 3000" or shit like that so it's worth a news article.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I’d ride the CHUNGUS 3000.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Wait til they learn about twin story trains. Twice the capacity!

Edit: And the first gen, a bit less comfortable tho but more reliable.

[–] Ruxias 25 points 2 months ago

WOW, what will the incredible Elon come up with next!? Dude comes up with all the great stuff we should have invented like ~50-100 years ago.

/s

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It doesn't double the capacity. It's more a 30% increase. And, double-deckers are actually old. They date from the 19th century. In 1855, the Chemin de fer de l'Ouest introduced double-deckers on suburban lines of Paris.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_Ouest_%C3%A0_imp%C3%A9riale

Modern double-deckers date from the 1930s, with the Voiture à étage Etat:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiture_%C3%A0_%C3%A9tage_%C3%89tat

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[–] jaybone 51 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is this like how Apple invented the headphones?

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

NO WAY! Did they just copy the Siemens Mireo and made it a double decker

It looks even more obvious in the German version of the site where the first picture is literally this one:

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Now that I have taken a closer look I question if the "Tesla" train is even a double decker or actually the Mireo

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And I am unsure if Yahoo just used a random train as their cover or if this is the Tesla train in question. I am so confused O.o

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Soo it's not a double decker and it is "Tesla's train" sooo... If I was Tesla I'd get back to the drawing board because I doubt Siemens will be happy with what they did here

[–] Thrashy 53 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

From the industry journal I linked in another comment -- it's literally just an off-the-shelf Mireo Plus B. That's it. The only thing Tesla about it is that it's serving a spur line connecting Tesla's factory to the existing Berlin light rail network, and was presumably financed by them for the PR benefit of not having the workers at an electric car factory arrive by diesel train.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yeah, I didn't expect much more of this, and then a bunch of those bored Yahoo Tech Bros think Elon would really make a train :')

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[–] Gammelfisch 46 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The logo on the front is from the NEB, Niederbarnimer Eisenbahn AG, which runs in German province's of Berlin and Brandenburg. No way in hell the Muskrat MAGAT is going to build trains.

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[–] hark 35 points 2 months ago

Hype over fake news like this is one major reason how tesla's stock price has gotten as high as it has.

[–] ODuffer 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Lol how novel, I use an all electric train every work day, a Stadler Class 777/1 electric multiple-unit fitted with batteries (BEMU).

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The far more important question however is:

Why tf did they use the color scheme of bwegt?

I may be an idiot, but I'm 99% certain that this color scheme is only used in Baden-Württemberg - a state that's like 500km away from the Tesla factory.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

oh, Adam Something is going to have a field day with this.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We copied 1960 technology, declared it revolutionary and act as if we invented it all

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

I am amazed at how people ate still surpised...

Tesla paid about 15k for this article and money like that gets you a cute headline.

This is "journalism" 101, this is part of their business model.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago
[–] Snapz 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

🎶 "I'm a connnnnn mann, or maybe I'm a god? Zoomin‘ round the planet, in my hyper loopin‘ pod..." 🎶

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 months ago

tesla launches train

hey ive seen this episode before; the ending sucked

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Batteries are heavy, Surely there must another way to supply energy to the train...?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And what happens when it ends up in shark-infested waters?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yahoo is just a terrible news source in general tbh

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[–] BilboBargains 15 points 2 months ago

Yahoo, the cowboys of journalism.

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