Sooner or later, automation will come for us all
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"Given that ChatGPT and other forms of generative AI create their output by synthesizing what they find on the internet"
Wow that is almost, but not completely, the opposite of what it does. And given its current form, it cannot really replace much (and we don't really know how it will look in the future, or if it will be much better than how it is now).
Looking at self driving cars, how much money was thrown at the problem, and how far are we still from looking at a fully self driving car, I would say AI replacing jobs is 90% marketing and 10% substance (there are fields where it is becoming very effective, like for example machine translation).
I mean, isn't that kinda what it does?
It is. Idk what that guy thinks he knows.
OpenAI scrape (illegally, in my humble opinion) the internet and trained chatgpt on it. That sounds to me what they are saying. Where is the issue?
I agree with your opinion that all this companies are illegally abusing the content freely available on the internet to train this models.
What annoyed me in the article, is that they are talking about "what jobs AI will steal" and immediately gave it abilities that it does not currently have (and I've seen it a lot of this on fear mongering type of articles). It reminded me on all the articles "truck drivers will be out of job in 3 months".
It does not find content on the Internet (Gemini, copilot, ... Is trying to give it that functionality, with hilarious results). It does not act in any way.
If you want to put it in simple terms, the current AI is a tool that reads a lot of content, and when you ask it something it gives you an answer trying to recall something and forming a coherent answer (hence all the hallucinations). It is extremely good at forming coherent answers, quite bad at giving correct answers and absolutely incapable of haveing other types of functionality (though they are trying hard to create new multi-agent tools that on paper are capable of independently searching for information, or using other tools to get the answer it needs, but it still fails a lot of times).
I have no issue with what you said. I am just not sure if you are misunderstanding what they mean with "find on the internet" or if I do. But that is pointless to argue about.
how far are we still from looking at a fully self driving car
While on one hand, pretty far, on the other I don’t see why they’re not common. We’ve had a few geo-fenced pilots of self-driving cars with mixed results, but the money is in trucking. I would have expected there to be trucking pilots, such as on fixed routes, in convoy, or even remotely piloted within distribution centers.
Good points. There have been tests on self driving trucks, but not much more. My opinion is that the tools are not mature enough, and the industry is not willing to risk putting trucks on the road that may get stuck in the middle of the trip, because there is a roadblock and it cannot circumvent it, or that it goes on big detours because it somehow sees non-existing roadblocks.
Also there is still a problem of liability. If a truck fails to give way to an ambulance or a firefighter truck, or if it gets in an accident, who is responsible? The manufacturer in theory, unless they waive responsibility to the owner of the truck, and in that case what company would risk their face and money on a technology that has not proven itself?
All in all, at the moment I see a lot of reasons to doubt the technology, and few reasons to embrace it, unless it becomes trustworthy enough that it is economically viable.
Ps. Putting trucks on a fixed route, in a convoy, feels a lot like re-inventing the train haha
who is responsible?
The benefits of a convoy (or road train 😆 ): there’s still a driver to take the fall, but they only need to be in the lead truck. Or if the convoys are longer, take another page from actual trains and also pay for a guy in the caboose to make sure the train stays together
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Live performing arts.
How the hell is AI going to get a body and then act, or perform a concert? It can't. It can do those fakes Hatsune/Tupac concerts, or create a 2D movie, hell it could probably make a VR movie eventually.
But I have doubts that live events will ever be significantly affected. I worked at a performing arts center for 7th-12th graders which also used the space for external events (performers who want to have a dance show, or their play, or whatever else).
You almost can't even integrate AI into so many of the processes that we do. Like, sure, maybe you could use AI to speed up setting up lighting cues (using Q-Lab), but then you're still having to run through the entire show and make sure that fits the artistic vision of the show runner. And sure, you could have AI replace the live mixing, but how would AI run the cables? How would AI set up the light fixtures?
It can't. For as much as people are saying AI will kill the arts... It seems like there's a lot of jobs in the arts entertainment industry that are pretty much immune from having these positions taken by AI. Yes, AI can "perform", but are you really wanting to go to an AI concert in place of seeing your daughter and her friends performances?
And if the answer is, "well AI will just make it so that people aren't interested in going to human sponsored events", frankly, I disagree. The fucking OPERA of all things has ticket sales up.
People like people. Watching people do things is what is interesting. And for so many of these events, people are required, with little to no opportunity for robotic replacement. There is a difference between AI creating an entire movie (something that is being worked towards, and is very possible) and being interested in seeing it for the novelty, and living in a world where all entertainment is created by AI. It's hard to even see how it would become the norm, as even with the arts being removed from U.S. school curriculums, there are still so many opportunities for them outside of school. Parents are still signing their kids up for music/theater/dance, just like they're still signing up their kids for karate.
That is unless people think AI is going to steal the jobs of martial arts teachers too. If anything, I'd wager people's sentiment towards AI right now would even bolster people's desire to see human-centered performances in the coming years.
Of course, things like killing sets programs in schools sets a bad course for the future, as it could make way for more AI created content as the standard, but man. Kids love acting more than their iPad once you get them started. That won't change in 10 years, the only thing that has changed is certain state public schools willingness to fund fun. So while I could certainly be wrong... Do people really want to go to a Blackbox version of AstroWorld or Coachella? Do people really want to go and see Black Swan being performed by whatever body the AI gets, over a professional ballet or even their child's performance? And this isn't to say that people wouldn't go see AI content - there would certainly be market for it. I just doubt it would replace humans.
All that said, bring out a really good form of UBI and for the love of all that is creative let's let AI take all the dangerous, janitorial positions. Let these people scraping by doing jobs no one else wants live by doing what they want to pursue creatively, not forcing them to work 40+ hours weeks hazardous to their health just to put food on the table. It's cruel.
Great points all. Technologies always replace jobs, and I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with that. If history has shown anything, there’s always more work to be done.
Porn set fluffer would probably be one. Although this article suggests that the job is already pretty much gone.
Please don't tell "manual laborers" that they can't lose their job. That might not be accurate long term (think, auto industry or 3d printed houses) but also it turns the working class against each other. "It isn't my issue, I am a manual laborers" wouldn't a position that other laborer would like and it is wrong because who is going to support all those jobless people... What will they be doing? Maybe working in manual labor???