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[–] [email protected] 167 points 4 months ago (8 children)

And DS9 is the conservative one with all the religion and the baseball and the war crimes and stuff.

TNG was run by a Frenchman who thought allowing bronze age species to believe in God was a barbaric act and went to bat as a human rights lawyer for an android who in turn let his first child pick their gender at will. All that while his polyamorous first officer was busy arguing against conversion therapy when pushed upon his trans nonbinary partner.

[–] confusedbytheBasics 26 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Uh... He wasn't against allowing anyone to believe in a god of gods. He only took issue with people worshipping "The Picard" and Ardra scamming.

[–] Iheartcheese 55 points 4 months ago (2 children)

He gave a speech about how they had moved past religion and he wasn't going to allow them to go back to superstition

[–] samus12345 46 points 4 months ago
[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I looked it up.

Horrifying. Dr. Barron, your report describes how rational these people are. Millennia ago, they abandoned their belief in the supernatural. Now you are asking me to sabotage that achievement, to send them back into the dark ages of superstition and ignorance and fear? NO!

Man was such an atheist I'm mildly surprised he isn't more of a terminally online conservative. He's too pro-choice, though, so I think we're safe.

[–] ummthatguy 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

He knew Ardra was a phony, but still passed up the opportunity.

That takes some restraint and willpower, as opposed to Will-power, cause we all know Riker would.

[–] FlyingSquid 23 points 4 months ago (5 children)

It doesn't take any willpower when you're this man-

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Dear Paramount: Doctor Twink and his boyfriend Fashion Lizard is a spinoff I would 100% watch every week.

Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (4 children)

It’s ok - he’s just a plain… simple… tailor.

The hypothetical discussions will be, without irony, absolutely riveting.

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[–] FlyingSquid 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh my god yes. My Dinner With Andre style. Just the two of them flirting for an hour.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

I would watch that over and over again.

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[–] peopleproblems 86 points 4 months ago (1 children)

... Star Trek is and has always been woke. It's like the core feature of Star Trek

[–] dual_sport_dork 71 points 4 months ago (3 children)

ToS had the first interracial kiss shown on television. And then there was this entire episode.

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[–] flop_leash_973 76 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Not gonna lie, as a straight white man, I would watch a show called " Doctor Twink with his boyfriend fashion Lizard".

[–] Opisek 16 points 4 months ago

I'm thrilled they are making a series about me.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They forgot Libertarian Alien who's there for comedic relief. His kooky libertarian plans reliably blow up in his face like Wile E. Coyote.

[–] FlyingSquid 45 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Quite woke of them to give representation to a conservative too. We wouldn't want to ignore any minorities. Not unless they shrink into nothingness. I hope.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Conservatism ... in DS9 they gave them an entire planet called Ferenginar.

I'm really loving the episodes with Brunt, Liquidator of the Ferengi Commerce Authority ..... if any being in the galaxy embodies taxation, it's Brunt. I love him because I absolutely hate him, a truly genius piece of character creation.

[–] Zombiepirate 37 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Jeffrey Combs is the most underrated actor of the 90s.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago

Combs also said of Brunt, "He was the IRS guy from hell. He's the guy who just kept coming back to make your life miserable, audit after audit after audit. I can imagine that that would be pretty awful. He also typified to me the inflexibility of someone who thinks their way is the right way."

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

Wokeness is not the issue with disco, et al. It's terrible writing, poor science even for soft sci fi, and too many cringey moments.

I get that some people love it. But the emotional resolution porn is, to me, just icky.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (5 children)

This sums Dico up perfectly for me. I consider myself "woke", I share the values they are advocating in Disco very much. But it's just. So. Shoved. Into. It.

It's not subtle, it's not something coming naturally to the story in most cases. It's just badly writen into a already badly written overall show.

And that, to be honest, is a shame.

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[–] MrVilliam 59 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The first interracial kiss on TV was between Kirk and Uhura in 1968. Star Trek is and always has been set in a time when humans have achieved a post-scarcity leftist utopian. Shit's been this way since way before your uncle started calling everything he doesn't like "woke" which was only like 4 years ago for the record.

Know what was really woke? Keeping watch for police brutality and unjust police tactics. For real. I'm quoting this article lol.

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[–] cybervseas 41 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Is Eddington communist himbo? Rom?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

Thanks for asking, I was racking my brain trying to figure it out

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[–] bblkargonaut 32 points 4 months ago (6 children)

The problem isnt woke, the problem is CW level writing. I've watched every episode of star Trek up to season 2 of Picard and the writers of discovery not understanding the speed of light, and it feel like the writers are just in qualified for their positions. It's so bad.

The writing for all the previous shows all had their highs and lows, but characters acted within their characterization and had genuine motivations. Picard season 1 was a rip off of mass effect and old man's war, with the facade Picard shoe horned in. Season 2 you have him chummy with a cold blooded murderer who faced no consequences.

I liked discovery for the first few seasons, but the plot holes, inconsistencies, and poor characterizations, left me feeling like watching the show was more habit or chore. I also never really felt like I got to know characters because their actions are so off the wall that you don't figure out the algorithms of their personality and motivations.

I honestly feel like lower decks has been the best Star Trek made in this new era, but I haven't seen brave new worlds yet or Picard season 3. I just needed a break after Picard season 2.

[–] then_three_more 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

SNW is much better. It's not a single story stretched to fit over a whole season helps a lot. It's definitely one of the best of new era Trek.

Season 3 of Picard is better than the first couple, but doesn't really add anything.

The stand out surprised at how god damned fucking good it is though is Prodigy. The first few episodes are a little bit childish, but after that it is excellent.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

SNW is legit really good. A return to form. They experimented with different genres like you mentioned on the other shows then when they were writing SNW some brilliant person was like "hey, how about if we tried making star trek?"

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[–] samus12345 31 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

They were too cowardly to make Doctor Twink and his boyfriend a thing, so they don't get credit for that. Fashion Lizard works, though.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Let’s not forget:

  • The Kiss
  • white/black Riddler duking it out with black/white guy in an allegory to race relations
  • Abraham Lincoln calling Uhura a “a charming negress” followed by a brief discussion about the future’s take on linguistics and equality
  • the pilot episode had a woman named Number One who was so named because she was number one at everything she did. She excelled at all the things on the ship. A woman being better than men? Impossible. That’s woke.
  • the Enterprise and a bunch of klingons once showed up to a planet so woke they ended war and used space magic to make the humans and klingons also do no wars in their vicinity.
  • in another episode the Enterprise went to a planet that still had war but they calculated the results of battles using a video game console and then sent casualties to their death in a disintegration chamber and the Kirk blew up the video game console to force them to either negotiate or go back to actual war as a lesson in ignoring the Prime Directive directly.
  • there was a Nazi planet and the Nazis were the bad guys.
  • there was also a Yankee planet where they somehow independently wrote the Declaration of Independence in broken pidgin English and used it to defeat the Space Soviets.
  • the episode where Kirk and a woman exchange bodies was… not handled well and is not a good example.
  • the klingons were soviets, btw.
  • basically every episode of the original series had something “woke”, okay? It was literally the whole point of the series.
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[–] dejected_warp_core 25 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Traumatized Goo

I see they put O'Brien on this list, but then which one is Odo?

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown 15 points 4 months ago

It was woke then too.

[–] Thrashy 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Colm Meaney was associated with Sinn Fein (formerly the political arm of the IRA) for a long time, so "Pro-Union Irishman" took me a minute.

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[–] tan00k 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Are we head canoning Kira as bi now or is she including mirror universe Kira in this? Or maybe I missed something in several watches.

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 4 months ago

Mirror Kira is only bold enough to do what regular Kira couldn't. We all know she thought about it.

[–] aaaa 13 points 4 months ago (8 children)

This is my problem with this meme whenever it comes up.

There are so many direct occasions to bring up representation and acceptance in Star Trek, so why do people always jump straight into platonic erasure and make up sexualities that aren't there?

I for one always loved the ability for people in Trek to work and live close to each other and develop deep friendships without resorting to coupling up. Turning every friendship into something more romantic just seems disrespectful, because people are perfectly capable of being friends without needing to make something more of it

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