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[–] voltaric 145 points 5 months ago (38 children)

For those who don't know, the US systematically mutilates the genitals of baby boys and young boys.Sciences points to the foreskin being a protective and erogenous dual layered membrane.

It is not 'one side' pushing this. This is how the American people take their aggression out on males.

[–] [email protected] 173 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

You had me until the last sentence. There are a lot of deeply misguided—and plain fucking stupid—reasons that circumcision has become seen as the 'norm' in the US, but I don't think it's how the American people takes its aggression out on men?? That's a pretty unhinged thing to think. I understand the anger and frustration at genital mutilation of babies (bc that's what it is, in my opinion), but let's come back to earth a bit.

EDIT: since this comment is getting attention, I just wanted to add that it really does seem like people are waking up to how fucked circumcision is. We just had a baby, and as part of our stack of information brochures given to us by the hospital (in Oklahoma, a deeply red state), there was a whole page dedicated to circumcision pros and cons. You could tell it heavily favored not circumcising, and preserving bodily autonomy was it's own full bullet point on the cons side, as well as busting myths that people perpetuate trying to justify it still.

Also, in our infant care courses, they showed some really awful pictures of freshly-circumcised baby penises. We had already decided not to circumcise for obvious moral reasons, but that made us feel even more secure in our decision. I feel like more parents need to see that stuff to make them realize what's actually going to be done to their baby with the procedure.

All that to say, I think there's hope for decreasing the occurrences of this deeply awful cultural practice!

[–] brlemworld 41 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Insurance companies should do what they do and make it be a cosmetic surgery and not cover it. It should cost thousands in cash.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

At a minimum. Also, the law should make it illegal.

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[–] rollerbang 13 points 5 months ago

Even better would be to simply banun, unless there are proven medical reasons.

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[–] voltaric 39 points 5 months ago (10 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 months ago

None of that has anything to do with the US "taking aggression out on males". Circumcision should be stopped but you're grasping for reasons here--there's no countrywide conspiracy to continue pushing it. The reasons are from historical pseudoscience and it's been in decline for 30 years.

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[–] aidan 10 points 5 months ago

Just to add: its not unique to the US, its even more common in many African, Middle Eastern, and majority Muslim countries

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[–] moistclump 136 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I feel like the same people who are antiabortion are pro circumcision. This meme makes it sound like it’s the pro choice crowd are also the ones pushing circumcision, which is misleading no?

[–] DaddleDew 75 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

It is all coming from the Puritan ideology pushing the completely outdated and unrealistic idea that sexuality should be exclusively within the confines of marriage. Even the majority of the people pushing this ideal aren't following it themselves.

Circumcision is a way to discourage masturbation. This also means that they are against contraception which, according to them, promote extramarital sex. Abortion is only the tip of the iceberg of what they would ban if they were even given the chance and we've already seen them move on to attacking contraception in some places where they've already banned abortion.

No matter how they're trying to dress it as it is obviously a religion-motivated movement and should not be allowed to force its views on the people. It pisses me off that through their ideological reasoning they have also decided to fight stem cell research. We could have cured so many diseases and disabilities if it wasn't for these religious zealots.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I don’t know where you live, if it’s in Europe maybe it’s different. In the US, I know many pro-choice people who have gone the circumcision route for the own kids. For those who don’t want or have kids, quite a few have said they prefer cut guys. It’s still very much a normalized societal thing in the US.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Yeah, in Europe (or in France at least), if you're circumcised you're either Muslim, Jewish or had a medical issue.

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[–] xantoxis 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah I don't entirely follow the logic here, but I think the idea is:

  • women complain about abortion rights
  • but men also have body autonomy grievances
  • if men choose to accept their own grievances as unresolvable, then women should, too.

I don't know the poster in question, so it could also be "this argument, but ironically"

[–] Treczoks 38 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dude, just ask your dumb parents.

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[–] Sanctus 33 points 5 months ago

If I had a son he'd keep his foreskin until he can decide. I was there when they did my nephew's and fuck all of that.

[–] Sam_Bass 27 points 5 months ago (3 children)

If the cutter was traditional, he mightve eaten it

[–] Agent641 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I went to an expensive traditional no-knife circumcisor. It was a rip-off.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago

Or turned into cosmetics. Shit ain't wasted, everything but the squeal gets used.

[–] Etterra 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for reminding me that's a thing. Now why don't you take those teeth and go castrate some sheep.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (5 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago

Sorry, already ate it

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[–] pyre 13 points 5 months ago

who says pro choice people demand circumcision. most pro-choice people would probably leave the choice to the kid when they grow up enough to have an opinion on it. and if they don't actively think that, I'm sure most can be very easily convinced to do so.

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