But i feel like a lot of people don't see that a TON of american and european products are made in china too. And think "oh i don't buy a chinese phone! Its made by abused workers!".

And then buy an iPhone. Completely forgetting that phone is made in the same factory but with an american logo on it.

We need to be more focused. We can't let people forget that the government and the people are not the same.

I know people say the "chinese" or the "russians" or the "americans". But we should say the government instead when talking about political conflicts. A lot of people read the "chinese" or the "americans" and see it as that ENTIRE country. People, government etc. As if it is all one singular thing.

Its just sad and wrong to see them as one and the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

It's hilarious to see people hating on china because of the governement while their own governement probably do worse, and history proved that occident is capable of worse

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Chinese plants will make whatever the hell you need them to at your desired quality, as long as you meet the market price.

There’s an incredible irony in Americans associating them with poor quality because the American capitalists ordering the goods decided to cheap out and cut corners lmao.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich 6 points 4 days ago

Ex-fucking-actly.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Me, a fan of kung fu movies and Chinese food: China has good thing too 🥹

The cities, the culture, and the people are pretty cool. The government is what sucks. But, like... That's true of damn near every country.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 6 days ago

There are things that are cool if they are voluntary but not cool when forced.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Pacific Rim | Winnie the Pooh

Evangelion | Also Winnie the Pooh

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

Get in the fursuit Shinji

[–] TotallynotJessica 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is mostly true for nationalistic American liberals. China is the opposing empire to America, while many see Japan as this "country uplifted by America." This attitude isn't new and isn't consciously held by most people that parrot it. Most don't know any better and many would accept the nuances if presented respectfully.

Empires occasionally do good when it serves their interests, while every country has serious issues they need to deal with. You can still oppose authoritarians or be a weeb without needing to ignore reality.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Or maybe because China is an authoritarian hell where there's no political freedom? idk

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Unlike America where you get to choose between: genocide in Gaza and uhm… also genocide in Gaza.

The way Chinese elite keep themselves in power is different from the way American elites keep them selves in power, but in the end what does it matter to you. Or do you want America to bring democracy to China at the end of a riffle, or be racist against Chinese people and Culture because you don’t agree with their government?

Edit: for the people (purposely?) misreading my comment, nowhere do I excuse the actions of China. I just want to point out that this rhetoric of condemning the human rights abuses of geo-strategic rivals is a known strategy that has a body count counted in millions. And pointing at Gaza is not a whataboutism, it is to show that Americas deep care for the Uyghurs or Taiwan independence is purely about cynical power.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 days ago

America's authoritarianism doesn't make China's authoritarianism any better. They can both be shitty, buckaroo.

[–] jumjummy 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Playing that one note song again. Care so much about genocide? Look directly within China’s own borders if you want to see one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

China’s treatment of Uyghurs is nowhere comparable to what the US and Israel are doing to Palestinians. And assuming that you live in the US, one of these crimes is committed under your name, the other is not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)

China isn't forcibly relocating Muslims they find inconvenient, stealing their land, and eradicating their culture while calling it reeducation or anti-extremism?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

China isn’t bombing civilians indiscriminately or using famine as a means of waging war.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago

So the severity of the fascism is more important than the quantity in your mind? Is there a published scale somewhere that you use?

[–] pigup 2 points 5 days ago

Fr fr

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Their point still stands

[–] RageAgainstTheRich 5 points 5 days ago

And that is true. But some people in china making something and putting their hearts in it, does not mean it should be hated on because their government is evil. We shouldn't see the government and the people of a country as a singular thing.

[–] TotallynotJessica 1 points 5 days ago

Ffs, of course it is! The wins they do have were all done for self-serving reasons. They occasionally stumble onto the right side of international conflicts, just like America. They sometimes enact effective policies that America doesn't, but they often cause pain and death that no one can complain about. It's an authoritarian empire; of course it's awful!

[–] Redex68 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mean, this image is basically applicable to the entire west? Though the first part might be more weebs.

[–] TotallynotJessica 1 points 5 days ago

It's biggest in America, as we're more involved in the Pacific. Other western countries side with us, but are less directly invested and gung-ho. The rest of the west is less likely to directly fight China or defend Japan.

[–] gmtom 13 points 5 days ago

This but unironically.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

dont dead read inside

[–] NickwithaC 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thank you because I could not figure out the top two panels.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

In China and Japan, traditionally they write top to bottom... Doubt this is a translated post though

[–] NorthWestWind 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It was the old image of Chinese products (edit: also services), but recently their quality has increased significantly. On top of that, the price is much lower than alternatives.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 63 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's mostly the surveillance state

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

⚠️ You have alerted the horde

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana 4 points 6 days ago

Meh.

[–] NorthWestWind 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When people saw the price, they stopped caring about that. This has been the case of Hong Kong.

[–] Zirconium 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

price makes no fucking difference whether or not it comes from a sweatshop. especially fucking clothes

[–] NorthWestWind 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sweatshop is probably true, but I'm telling you, you just cannot resist the price as a consumer. Tooth filling for 29 HKD (3.7 USD), you just can't beat that.

Hongkonger are extremely realistic and practical. Price low? Use it

[–] problematicPanther 3 points 6 days ago

I thought it was about the dogs painted to look like tigers in the zoo, for example.

[–] VelvetStorm 47 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yes but i would rather not support the ccp.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

do you have concerns about buying American stuff? I mean the usa just got outed running an antivax campaign to kill Asian people while hoarding vaccines.

States aren't your friend yo

[–] Duamerthrax 9 points 6 days ago

Yes. I hate consumerism and our corporate overlords. I hate any World Super Power(tm), real or imaginary.

It's a team sport, but we're all the disposable pawns.

[–] NorthWestWind -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You do you, my friend.

[–] VelvetStorm 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So you support the ccp and their oppression of the Chinese population?

[–] NorthWestWind 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Chinese are humans too. They have a life, have things to pay for, and most of them are not even associated with the government.

[–] VelvetStorm 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then don't buy things that are owned by the ccp. I'm not against them. I'm against their government, and unfortunately, we can't do anything about the ccp except not buy as much as possible from China.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tell that to all the major Industries that are buying and producing stuff in china than just a regular bloke

[–] VelvetStorm 1 points 5 days ago

Just because they are shitty doesn't mean I have to be too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yes, the Chinese are people too, and they are being oppressed by their government.

What's your point?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Smh NWW you just don't have to buy products that say "made by the CCP" 😔 /s

Also hi lol