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[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 week ago (24 children)

Because if you live in an apartment your only option for charging is to go to a charging location. You can't just plug it in overnight.

Which I can see as a big hurdle for a lot of people.

[–] kaitco 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This was my biggest issue. I live in a townhouse with a carport-ish thingy, but the same issue applies.

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Of course there aren't many people buying EVs when the only ones available in the US are high end luxury models.

Import a bunch of those cheap Chinese EVs and lots of people will buy them. It won't hurt the US manufacturers because they don't produce any budget models.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It will hurt US manufacturers, because their budget gasoline cars won't sell.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's the Nissan Leaf, Chevy Bolt/Spark, Mini Cooper EV, Hyundai Kona/Ioniq 6, Fiat 500e and more. These qualify for subsidies if purchased new plus all the gas savings make them decently affordable or you can always buy them used as most people do.

Most people are going for the midrange models like the Model Y, Model 3, Ioniq 5, etc though since it's not really ideal to buy the 'worst' version of something when making a large purchase. People want more range, space, and features. Even with ICE cars, the subcompacts sell/sold pretty poorly.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

Import a bunch of those cheap Chinese EVs and lots of people will buy them

Or start building affordable EVs here.

Back in the 70s when Toyota, Datsun, Honda etc started eating the big 3's lunch on affordable fuel efficient vehicles, they responded with smaller cars of their own.

If they're not willing to respond to market demand and competition, do they even deserve to stay in business?

Isn't that what the "free market" they claim to love enforces?

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Too expensive. Not owner repairable. Too much unnecessary tech baked in.

There’s a path forward for EV’s, but I don’t think the current philosophy is it.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Can anyone name me one that is a normal fucking car? With a little dial that tells you how fast you're going that isn't an LCD display that can't be read in direct sunlight connected to an internet connected computer that will never get OS updates? With a gear shift lever that moves forward and back or up and down to select park, reverse and drive, not a nipple in the glove box to lick for "Forward," a knob on the ceiling labeled "H" and to put it in reverse you honk the word REVERSE on the horn? Where the doors have handles that you pull on to open that look like door handles, and locks that have cylinders that accept keys?

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[–] ohlaph 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It definitely has nothing to do with the outrageous starting price range.

[–] retrospectology 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Yup, American manufacturers are still treating EVs as if they're this exotic new toy for upper-middle class people or silicon valley douche bros, rather than getting onboard with the concept of them just being a utilitarian thing that needs to be marketed to normal people.

Give me the EV equivalent of the Geo Metro and I'll buy it in a heart beat. I'm not taking out a second mortgage for a car that tries to drive itself and whatever dumb gimmicks they come up with, but I will 100% buy an affordable, practical EV designed with efficiency and economy in mind.

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[–] TheFonz 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Would be nice if they made 'dumb' EVs. Like the kind where even the windows are manual old school roll up. I don't need to walk into a spaceship to drive to get groceries. But all they're selling are luxury spaceships. For all the good Tesla did to rebrand the market, I feel it also did a lot of harm by creating an incentive for luxury vehicles.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (8 children)

No one's mentioned the privacy nightmare that new vehicles are. Why anyone would pay $45k for a vehicle that spies on you for the sole benefit of car manufacturers and insurance companies is beyond me. Do away with all the unnecessary privacy violations, or pay ME a monthly subscription for MY data.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Money. That’s the answer

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

My non EV is still perfectly serviceable and I don't like all the superfluous electronic touchscreen bullshit they're putting in modern vehicles so I'm going to keep driving it until the wheels fall off.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Yup, I'm looking at used EVs to replace my commuter (50mpg, so no hurry), and they come with a bunch of smart crap, so I'm looking at ways to block any potential phoning home before I buy the car.

It's dumb. Just give me an EV with 150-200 miles range with no smart crap for $20k and I'll buy it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes. Preferably an option in the form of a small single cab pickup truck with a full size bed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I would probably buy that. I currently use my minivan for must "truck" things, but neither my wife or I like driving it, and we can't just get a load of mulch or whatever.

So yeah, something like the old Ford ranger would be awesome.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I mean, just they're too expensive. You can buy a normal gas car for around 147 Monero while an EV will set you back 238 Monero.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My car cost 10k€, the equivalent EV is 20k€. Why don’t I buy more EVs? That’s a mystery, let’s call McKinsey to understand why.

Also let’s double the price of more affordable foreign cars to increase the amount of mystery. Sometimes I wonder if governments do this to make fun of us because it’s so stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've never even driven an EV, they're comically far out of my price range.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Price, range, infrastructure, in roughly that order of importance when averaged over the population. The article then goes into factors affecting price. (Of course, the article originated with the Financial Times and was only reprinted by Ars, so it makes sense that they would put money first.)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I want a super cheap EV for 15k-20k to drive around the city, but I'm not ready to give up my gas jeep.

The cheapest EV I can seem to find is about 45k CAD new, looks stupid, and comes with a ton of features I don't want that will just break and need repair...

[–] AA5B 1 points 6 days ago

I feel like Jeep owners will be the last to go EV: the car is so unique in appearance, customizable, and functionality. And it’s not like Jeep owners are looking for efficiency.

Some of Cybertruck’s announced capabilities might have bit into that market, if they’re able to deliver them eventually

[–] Ibaudia 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The answer to questions like these is always money.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (20 children)

Where I live, there's one charging station. And it's like 8 miles or so from my house. I've yet to see more. It's also a fairly rural area. I think we forget how much population lives outside cities.

[–] dinckelman 1 points 6 days ago

My entire city currently has 30 charging ports in total, half of which are either in private locations, malls, paid parking, or singular charging station spots in obscure places.

I’m not opposed to EVs at all, but the infrastructure is just not there. Not to mention the abysmal price of these

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[–] Kayday 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've been saying since EVs hit the market that I couldn't wait for them to be cheap enough used for me to justify purchasing one. That hasn't happened yet. Most I've ever spent on a car was $7k.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Because the most environmentally friendly car, is the one you already own.

Producing ev is heavy strain on the climate. This change won't happen overnight.

Ev needs to be better and cheaper if it wants to defeat the ice market.

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