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[–] owenfromcanada 145 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It depends on their window.

If they include call volume data back to the Neolithic period in their calculations, then yes, call volumes are higher than average (the average being 0.001 calls per century, rounding up).

Pretty sure that's how they do the math.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

Or just let's assume the phones are open 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. The average call volume would be drastically lower than during business hours

[–] then_three_more 20 points 6 months ago

They'd just need to include the call volume for when they're closed. Open 9-5 but take the average over a whole 24 hour day.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's even simpler. A strictly increasing series will always have element n be higher than the average between any element<n and element n.

Or in other words, if the number of calls is increasing every day, it will always be above average no matter the window used. If you use slightly larger windows you can even have some local decreases and have it still be true, as long as the overall trend is increasing (which you've demonstrated the extreme case of).

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 6 months ago (3 children)

actually, it is. let me explain.

Let's simplify and say that there are peak hours and low hours. 100 people call during a peak hour, and 25 during a low hour. The chance of calling during a peak hour is 80%, since you are four times as likely to be one of the 100 rather than one of the 25.

The same effect means that you are almost always on planes and trains that are very full, even though every now and then they ride almost empty. Fewer people get to experience empty train rides by definition.

Of course this effect falls apart when your usage patterns differ from everybody else's. If everybody takes the train at rush hour, you might ride an empty one at noon. Or, if you call the hotline while everybody else is sleeping, you might have a better chance.

But yeah companies also just lie to make themselves look better lol

[–] GrabtharsHammer 70 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You sound like a guy who knows which part of a warplane to reinforce.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Soo you're saying we should increase train frequency for times when they're empty?

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The same goes for traffic. If you are experiencing traffic, you ARE traffic.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, this is exactly it. You are calling when other people are calling. You are the congestion.

If you call before 11 AM you will have a much better time, as will the customer service operators.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nah, they're overloaded at that time too

[–] Klear 13 points 6 months ago

Obviously. Because that's the time all the people who want to avoid the congestion call.

[–] Mercuri 78 points 6 months ago (5 children)

"Your call is very important to us... but not so important that we would actually do anything about it like hiring more representatives. This message will repeat every 5 minutes until you get frustrated and hang up."

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The joke's on them - my time has very little value anyway

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ugh I still have an air conditioner that was dead out of the box (bought it off season so didn't use it till summer...summer 2020)

Tried a bunch of times to call in but "due to the pandemic" (what a fucking catchall for anti-consumer behavior...if a huge company hadn't figured out how to keep their call center staffed 5 months into it, then it's clearly intentional), nobody ever answered the call in the hour or so I'd wait on hold, several times.

I eventually gave up and just ate the cost.

[–] optissima 7 points 6 months ago (11 children)

In the future, chargeback for that?

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Interestingly, British consumer rights guru Martin Lewis is currently running a crowdsourced data gathering exercise on this in the UK.

The purpose being to identify if companies are purposefully playing these sorts of message no matter their actual call volume. (Which we all know they are, but this will help prove it)

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/report-high-call-volumes/

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 months ago

Call the Sales/new accounts line and see how long it takes them to pick up.

[–] Cosmos7349 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Makes sense if the average includes the hours of zero calls when their phone line is closed

[–] Viking_Hippie 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Especially if it's one of those awful ones that are only open for 5 minutes on the fifth Wednesday of the same month.

[–] pivot_root 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

During a leap year. Where Squirrel Appreciation Day falls on a Sunday.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I sell and build call centers for a living.

Yeah, it's fake lol. I mean maybe for some businesses it isn't fake, but usually clients would ask us to make it where "if there's more than X calls in queue, play the message". Turns out, there's always more than X calls in queue. It's not actually looking at the average.

It's kinda weird, some things are just always like that, some things clients want to add in because the average user expects it.

Someone wanted a repeat caller to get bumped to the front of the queue. Literally encouraging the "if I hang up and call back I'll get there sooner" people. Awful.

[–] some_designer_dude 22 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Stop putting people on hold, period. We have the technology to just call back when they’re at or near the top of the queue. If they miss their call, maybe their number gets priority for an hour or something. Either way, when I get put on hold, I mostly fantasize about murdering whoever set up that system.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Yeah, it's a feature dubbed "queued callback". Saves your place, it's a pretty common request. Customers like Delta, Intuit, Pacific Life, Citibank, Dyson, all use the platform I build (Amazon Connect) and do stuff like that.

Problem is, no one answers a call from an unknown number these days. Some phones are getting smart enough to recognize the number and show that it's a business, though that's more anecdotal evidence from my personal device (Pixel Fold with Google Fi carrier).

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Hold for me and call screening on the pixel is amazing. It's so much better than any other feature available on any other phone.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago

Once a year they receive negative a billion calls on a day that is later erased, and it really skews the average

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Also: “Please listen closely as our menus have recently changed.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

because I call the customer service line of any one company so much, that I have memorized their touch tone menu

9 months into my daily call to Maytag: Excuse me, babe. I have to walk into the other room so I can listen. Apparently, they've changed their phone menu.

[–] then_three_more 6 points 6 months ago

I had so many issues with Scottish Power that I pretty much did. Fucking useless company.

[–] zxqwas 28 points 6 months ago

Technically true If they close the phone line at night.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah but it sounds a lot better than "We've pursued a policy of understaffing to save costs".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A steadily increasing curve would always be above its average, no?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Well, aaaactually, don't they have more than average calls half of the time?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Not necessarily. They could be constantly ever so lightly above the average value, but then once in a while, a really low value comes along and drags the average down. What you're thinking of is the median.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Easily achievable if you only take calls in working hours. Then all working hours will have more than average calls per hour for a day.

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[–] then_three_more 9 points 6 months ago

Maybe they're taking the average for each day over the whole 24 hours, but the call centre only operates from 9:30-4:30.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago

That would be true for the median, but not for the average

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Sure you can. If the average is over 24 hours, then any time the phone line is open they're getting higher than the average number of calls. X2 if you include weekends and holidays.

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[–] Jikiya 14 points 6 months ago

It's a higher average than the amount of calls they had 150 years ago.

[–] egeres 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Eehrm, acktually, the tweet is wrong 🤓

You can always be getting a result above average in a series of numbers as long as the nth number is significantly greater than the previous ones. For example, f(x) = x^2 would always be above average for every next number

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[–] IzzyScissor 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'd imagine they include their off-hours in the 'averages'.

"So crazy that we're getting more calls when we're open than when we're closed!"

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[–] RememberTheApollo_ 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It’s the average they calculated they’d get in order to allocate the minimum budget and personnel to what the “normal” calculation would be and only inconvenience the customer when it rose about that amount.

[–] dual_sport_dork 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The nomenclature I always hear is, "Experiencing a higher than expected call volume," and since no one can prove how low their expectations actually are there is no crack in which to insert the prybar of legal complaint.

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[–] Xanis 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So look, guys, it's reaaaally easy:

If it isn't mandated, regulated, and enforced by law, assume the corporation is lying.

Bonus Wisdom Save: If a corp says you should do something, strongly consider doing the opposite.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The odds of ever needing to call customer service for a product or service weigh heavily in my decision to buy it.

And every support line needs a "direct to tier 2 support" option. I don't care if every caller chooses it. If I wanted tier 1 support I would be on the website.

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[–] werefreeatlast 7 points 6 months ago

....sorry we're continuously experiencing higher number of calls than what is average for other companies.

[–] ricdeh 7 points 6 months ago

It's older math, Sir, but it checks out.

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