You wouldn't pirate a ~30 year old game that was never sold in your country and never translated to your language for a no longer made console but that was carefully ported to the PC and lovingly translated to multiple languages, including your own, by a dedicated group of enthusiasts that genuinely love the game and only want others to have a chance to enjoy it as well.

[–] Speculater 11 points 7 months ago

The fuck I wouldn't.

[–] DuskyRo 61 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Me after EA nuked Bookworm Adventures out of existence:

[–] AtariDump 10 points 7 months ago

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dZBeRl2CVI4l2spEa3M_mePXUNt42a4U/view

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago (1 children)

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I see this link posted everywhere for weeks now but like, I've never been able to use it. The US version of it recommends the DGCCRF which is exclusive to France or visitors thereof. It's weird that it doesn't recommend a US branch or have the FTC section at the top

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I think there was an episode where they found out that there's a US law that says US citizens don't have the right to ownership of software or something like that. they're only trying in countries where customer protection is a thing, but the practice of removing ownership of software after some time is in a gray area.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

So you're saying a company representative can come to your home at any time and take all the clothes you bought from them because they still own the rights to the design ?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Didn't mean to sound harsh. Not a native English speaker.

It's still in a gray legal area in most countries or they wouldn't even be trying. Nobody is trying to steal the intelectual property, just make it that companies can't come years later and remove things you bought full price . It's a matter of customer protection.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The US version of it recommends the DGCCRF which is exclusive to France or visitors thereof

Because it's PRIMARILY about The Crew, sold by Ubisoft, a French company.

There is no US push to stop killing games like they're doing in other countries because it's impossible without lobbying money, which they don't have.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

yea i figured the reason might be similar to that, too bad the US just doesn't care about consumer rights, I just find it weird they bother mentioning it on the US page if the US can't actually use it

[–] Xenon 40 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

How come copyright owners are not legally required to distribute their work?

Copyright is supposedly a deal society strikes with creatives: They create art for society and in return the law ensures that they profit off of their original works. If they no longer uphold their end of the bargain how come the rest of us should still uphold their copyright? If they no longer make their works available their copyright should be forfeit automatically.

[–] yamanii 11 points 7 months ago

Good observation, never thought of it. It's like some people already said: if libraries came after copyright they would say it's communism and publishers would sue everyone

[–] [email protected] 35 points 7 months ago

You wouldn't throw away a project you spent years and millions of dollars working on for a tax write off

[–] JJROKCZ 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It’s hilarious that lotr:bfme2 is still the best lotr game to date and is pretty much kept alive by enthusiasts through piracy because EA stopped supporting it 15 years ago.

There is still an active mod scene for it to this day, including one that is a massive graphics overhaul bringing a 20 year old game to near modern graphics

[–] SlothMama 1 points 7 months ago

I literally picked this up on Xbox 360 recently. It's incredible.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

This made so mad it makes me want to shut down small grassroots videogame tournaments held by passionate communities for games I haven't monotized in literal decades!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Hot take: if you bought the game, but need to download a crack or cracked version to play it because the anti cheat or product key validation or whatever is broken, then you haven't pirated the game. You're only reclaiming access to something you paid for.

Side note, this isn't legal advice and IANAL.

I feel the same about downloading movies that you bought which became so damaged that they can no longer be watched from the original media. You own the content, but because they packaged it in a way that was prone to becoming unusable, you lost access to the content. You still paid for a license to the media, but lost access to that media. If you regain that access -by whatever means- then you still legally have the right to it.

I know the courts and copyright lawyers would argue about the license being for that particular copy on that particular media or something, but I disagree.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago

I think downloading a crack for a game you paid for should be covered under "right to repair" laws.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Sorry, I misspoke. You own a license to have the content.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Many years back , a friend was a manager of a game shop. They let me bring in badly scarred discs of movies and PS1/2 games, pay a very small fee (I want to say like $1/disc?) to get a brand new copy of the disc as replacement. Was a service that was available to resell shops apparently, though she mentioned that it also has a subscription aspect that likely placed it well out of reach of mortals.

I'd even be fine with mildly increased cost on something like that for regular consumers, but alas no....

[–] SlopppyEngineer 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

for that particular copy

I think it's a different version of s movie that's important. If you bought the director's cut but downloaded the cinematic version then you technically don't have a license for that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As far as I can tell, the most prominent argument is that it's a different copy due to stuff like the resolution being different, if you own the DVD copy and download the Blu-ray, that's what they get you on. I imagine that works the other way too.

IDK. The laws are a mess and the courts are largely bought and paid for by the copyright holders.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Criminals, that's who. The MPAA is coming to get you.

Bad boys starts playing

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

You wouldn't download an NFT

[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fucking sick. Communist

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] AGD4 7 points 7 months ago

I'd describe this issue as very Black & White, too!

[–] PriorityMotif 2 points 7 months ago

Just turn off your antivirus bro, it's cool bro. No, it doesn't work in a vm either. It's fine, just do it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nobody owns all the thousands of games available for their emulators or thousands of blu-rays

And companies fail to acknowledge that not every download is a lost sale. The people who have downloaded thousands of games for their emulators would not have purchased those thousands of games if emulation wasn't available.

people who just indiscriminately download everything available

Case in point. Just because they're downloading it "because it's free" doesn't mean they were going to purchase "everything available" but find it all for free instead. They are likely not even consuming most of it anyway, and just collecting.

It is absurd that Nintendo will spend money to shut down a webpage hosting "Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link" when that's not something they will ever sell again. Someone pirating Baldur's Gate 3 because they don't want to pay for it doesn't change the absurdity of keeping a stranglehold on a 37 year old game.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not everything is a debate, you're allowed to just discuss.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B.

I do not disagree that there are people who download things for free because they don't want to pay for it. However that doesn't mean every download represents a lost sale. I would argue the majority of downloads never would have been sales in the first place.

Personally I frequently pirate things to try them. If I bounce off of it then I'm glad I didn't pay for it, if I like it I buy it. I have many games on Steam with under an hour of playtime and most achievements unlocked because I finished the game on a pirated copy, then purchased it and loaded my save.

All that said my main point is that all of this is irrelevant to the actual topic at hand: if I have purchased a game legally and it is no longer being supported there should be no issue with me acquiring the files through another method in order to play it.

Saying "well some people use piracy to get things for free" is as relevant as coming into a discussion about roads needing to be maintained with "well some people use roads to speed, which is breaking the law."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Most people download things because they want it for free

Which is the original point of IP such as copyright in the first place, to create a robust public domain. We have Mr. Disney to thank for repurposing our IP laws to lock up content so that we plebs can never enjoy anything without paying for it.

Most artists are more interested in their work getting experienced than getting paid each time, but its the industrialists and the ownership class who profits the most (by far) by locking things down, and even they are glad to circumvent licensing for convenience. It appears we all know it's a top-side racket.

Download that bear!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guess I mostly agree, though, I disagree that it isn't acknowledged. From what I see, piracy oftentimes is explicitly precisely just because people want something for free (myself included tee-hee).

The preservation argument has gotten a lot more prevalent, and I agree that there are a lot of people who use that as a justification for pirating while not actually working to preserve the media they pirate, but I at least see far more people who don't justify it at all. Not that they have to, IMHO.

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