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Texas doctor who said nine-year-olds can safely give birth appointed to maternal mortality committee (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] givesomefucks 165 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Skop serves as vice-president and director of medical affairs for the national anti-abortion research group Charlotte Lozier Institute and is a member of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists. She is also a plaintiff in a US supreme court lawsuit seeking to revoke the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of the key abortion drug mifepristone, which she argues is “dangerous” despite years of evidence showing the drug is safe. She has authored a number of research papers that were ultimately retracted for misleading errors.

We can't beat far right extremism with moderate politics.

There's no compromising with people who lie and say anything to get what they want.

[–] disguy_ovahea 47 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I’d argue that we can beat them from any position, as long as we do it in unity.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)

We also have to overcome gerrymandering, which SCOTUS just said is legal (as long as the GOP pretends to disenfranchise people for political reasons rather than racial ones). At the same time, we need to overwhelm voter suppression with enough genuine votes that it isn't effective. Same with the Electoral College, the illegitimate Supreme Court, and the Senate, which gives outsized influence to big, empty Red States and fight against the unlimited flow of dark money in politics...

It can all still be done, but we have to all vote, donate, and volunteer, as well as be unified as you said. My big unity wish is messaging. No one can compete with Fox News because Right Wing media is very good at staying on-message and we're a "big tent" party, but still; we have to be better at it...

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mifepristone, which we have known is safe for over 40 years, is apparently too dangerous but a 9 year old giving birth is a-okay how this quack.

[–] givesomefucks 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's what I mean

They 100% know it's safe.

But they do t like that it's legal for other reasons that they know don't have plausible deniability.

So they claim (against all science) it's dangerous, and count on extremists judges to pretend they believe it and outlaw it on that premise.

No amount of factual evidence about the safety of the drug will change any of their actions, because they don't give a single fuck if it's safe or not.

Moderates always fall for the trap and take them at their word. Which is insane, and at this point it seems safe to say the reason is they have a lot of the same donors, and part of the strings to that money is going along with the dog and pony show even tho everyone involved already knows what the result will be.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I don’t understand how one can be a woman and carry so much hatred for your own gender.

[–] [email protected] 148 points 7 months ago (3 children)

"I behaved the correct way, and this did not happen to me. If everyone else did the same as me, they wouldn't suffer. Since their suffering is preventable, they cannot complain and must suck it up."

"See? I'm on your side. Treat me better than you treat them, please."

Source: live in a red US state and have talked to a few conservative women and minorities

[–] givesomefucks 66 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You're forgetting the ones who had abortions, but 30 years later regret it because they imagine it would have made their life better if they had the kid.

They think they're "saving" the next generation, when really they have no idea what their lives would have been like if they had their own kid.

Kids are a huge change in lifestyle, and they're just think of.missed positives and not the missed negatives.

It's just how our brains work. Same as with the lockdown curbing how bad COVID was, because we avoided the worst negatives, people think they werent a possible result. And just look back at the potential positives they could have experienced.

They're obviously not right. But that line of thinking is pretty normal.

If we want to fix the problem, we need to properly identify what's causing it.

Lots of time it's just our brains working exactly as they evolved to work.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

Oof I forget about these. Or just the plain hypocrites that publicly shame abortion but will secretly get one (or have their partner get one) and go right back to shaming abortion. Or substitute any other thing they have a moral objection to, really.

Their own situation called for it, and it is fine because they are "right." But those other people, it is not fine because they are "wrong."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Sure but I mean… Wouldn’t you want to try to make the world a better place in general? Why do we have to force some people into a suffering underclass?

[–] SolarTapestryofNoise 38 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Cause sky daddy "told" them to.

Don't you dare point out that sky daddy's son said the opposite and hung out with whores, poors, and the sick with sores.

[–] HootinNHollerin 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

whores, poors, and the sick with sores

Is an excellent [email protected]

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[–] gAlienLifeform 19 points 7 months ago

When one person stands up by themselves or with only a small group around them, the powers that be drop the hammer on them and everyone who was sympathetic and might have supported them gets scared back into line

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's the thing: they think that it is better. They think the reason these people are suffering is because they aren't doing things the right way.

If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn't get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.

These people have zero empathy as to the real world challenges that women face. When you ask conservatives why they don't adopt, they say "I have my own children" which tells you everything you need to know: adopted children are not really theirs.

It's not about children. It's about punishment. That 9 year old needs to be punished for having sex.

It's maddening how far they have gotten in the political world.

[–] NABDad 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If 9 year old girls could hold an aspirin between their legs, they wouldn't get pregnant. They are sluts so naturally they should give birth because that will make it better.

This is the craziest thing to me. Babies as punishment for "moral failing."

A baby is not and should never be a punishment. Anyone who thinks a baby is a punishment shouldn't be having babies or forcing others to have babies.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

I think, at the surface, conservatives don't say this. They say a child is a blessing, etc.

But when you get down deeper, past their rhetoric, they definitely equate babies as a punishment.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago

"I suffered, and so should you. Stop complaining!"

It really does come down to this for a lot of folks. Anyone that tries to fix it are considered "whiners" to these folks.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Misogyny is subversive. It's capable of being internalized. It is consistent. The ideology behind it is enforced in subtle ways throughout the entirety of our lives. We become accustomed to it, expectant of it. We are trained to accept it and be tolerant of it. Misogyny can seem beneficial to certain women, and those will readily accept it and become ignorant of the consequences it has for them.

Misogyny also doesn't exist in a vacuum. It exists alongside white supremacy, xenophobia, queerphobia, ableism, classism, and other forms of social oppression. Women can identify with and ideologically support any of those systems of oppression. All of them interconnect, though. Each system is built partially on the foundations of the others. They all affect each other. Being a white supremacist doesn't make you a misogynist, but those 2 things are ideologically consistent with each other. White supremacists tend to support misogynists and vice versa.

When we realize Misogyny not simply as a singular concept on its own, but rather a socially constructed one interconnected with different systems of power - it's actually very conceivable for women to be misogynists and actively participate in the oppression of women. They are able to firstly distance themselves from the group being oppressed using logic like "I'm an oppresser, I am not oppressed." Then they are welcomed into the greater sphere of social bigotry and systems of power. White supremacists uphold patriarchal households and white mothers, for instance. Xenophobic households uphold women and mothers from their nation and who share their religion. They are upheld not as a form of empowerment but as an example by which to compare others.

I can't say exactly why this woman specifically has chosen to actively participate in the subjugation of women, but it is a predictable phenomenon and, unfortunately, part of the strategy of fascism.

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[–] FlyingSquid 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Wave enough money under some people's noses and they'll say or do whatever you want. True with doctors as anyone else. There's a reason why famous people can get all the prescription drugs they care to.

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[–] DFWSAM 102 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Jesus fucking christ, has she an iota of empathy, let alone any idea of the consequences of a term pregnancy to the physiology of a NINE YEAR OLD?

Leaves me wondering if she’s not a closet pedo.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The issue with the high-paying medical profession is that it attracts 2 kinds of people: nice people who want to do good and help people, and self-centered people who want to feel powerful and in-control while making a bunch of money. The latter are the reason for shit like this. I'd bet that she doesn't care about children at all, and just wants to feel powerful, while raking in the cash from rich people looking to use her license to validate their terrible behavior.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People in the first category seem to be getting pushed out of the profession, to the extent that many good doctors remain so despite their professional role which had shifted away from being a healer toward being a vehicle that huge hospital conglomerates exploit to goose more profits out of sick people

[–] turmacar 9 points 7 months ago

Have a friend that's finishing med school and going to residency this summer. Everything about it is insane and they all know it and power through. If you get accepted you're moving around more than the military and paying through the nose for the privilege while seemingly half the "teachers" (working doctors) are worked to death and the other half are completely checked out.

[–] techognito 24 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Leaves me wondering if she’s not a closet pedo.

Anyone promoting or supporting child pregnancy are either a pedophile or a pedophile supporter

edit: added "or supporting" after "promoting"

[–] khannie 16 points 7 months ago

has she an iota of empathy

Absolutely not. That is the fundamental issue.

[–] [email protected] 89 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

What is wrong with people? Anyways, here's the facts:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35675595/

Compared with deliveries to patients aged 20-54 years, deliveries to patients aged 11-14 years were associated with increased risk for severe maternal morbidity (aOR 1.73, 95% CI 1.49-2.00), hypertensive disorders of pregnancy (aOR 1.79, 95% CI 1.71-1.88), and postpartum hemorrhage (aOR 1.37, 95% CI 1.27-1.49).

I can't even find data for kids as young as 9, because it's such a rare and obviously bad situation.

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[–] SkyezOpen 60 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Unironically saying "if she's old enough to bleed she's old enough to breed" which is a pedophilic statement.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 7 months ago

Is the Maternal Mortality Committee meant to increase the mortality rate during maternity? 🤨

[–] FlyingSquid 47 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I wonder whether or not she's sociopathic enough to say that to the faces of the parents of a raped and pregnant 9-year-old.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 7 months ago

Probably, and they'll act confused when they get the shit beaten out of them by said parents.

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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Right-wingers are terrible people. Right-wing Texans take that to the extreme.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

As an outsider I have heard everything is bigger in Texas, that seems to include assholes

[–] unreasonabro 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Well that bitch is an ugly flavour of stupid. Can't you get your license revoked for employing alternative information? christians need to go back to being meek like the bible tells them to and stop acting like they can understand anything, when the bible tells them they can't. No wonder fascism is on the rise, the fucking dipshits.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 7 months ago (5 children)

A 9yo definitely does not have the hips for natural birth. Unless that doctor thinks that birth via caesarian section is safe, she's full of shit.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Abortion is against nature!"

Forces little girls to give birth via unnatural means...

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[–] randon31415 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Boy, Doctor Who is gotten weird recently.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Texas Doctor Who would be the worst iteration

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 7 months ago

Wow.

I hope this woman tries to get he toast out of the toaster with a knife, only to be fatally electrocuted

[–] Zidane 15 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How has her shit not been revoked spewing all this nonsense??? Or is it a state thing?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, isn't there a review board for all licensed doctors?

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[–] CAVOK 9 points 7 months ago

Define "safely". Births are risky at the best of times.

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