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[-] GrymEdm 45 points 3 weeks ago

As soon as I hear a name like "Moms for Liberty" I just know they're going to be a group of brainwashed outrage addicts campaigning for demonstrably harmful things.

And in trying to check the first suggestion Google has is "moms for liberty book ban list" so I have a feeling I'm right.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I am automatically suspicious of anyone who's a patriotic American. Either they're ignorant of our country's history and are idiots or they're proud of it and are psychopaths.

Edit: I just realized I'm paraphrasing Patrick O'Brien:

But you know as well as I, patriotism is a word; and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbecile.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

For me, the difference between nationalism and patriotism is that patriotism is about what a country could be. It's a willingness to sacrifice some portion of one's own prosperity to make a better country for all. That's certainly not what right wingers call patriotism though.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

It sort of is - so long as what gets sacrificed is someone else's and not their own:-P.

"Wear a mask? Nope, I'm a patriot!"

"Let you wear a mask, bc you "need" it to help you live? No way, bc you need to be more patriotic!"

"Patriotic" is a magic wizard-word that means "do as I say... or else".

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I guess I'm a patriot because I like to imagine that a country could be not existing. Nation-states were a bad idea.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You are in my book, assuming you're ready to make sacrifices towards that potential future. I personally think nation states are a necessary step towards something that humanity is clearly not ready for in the future, but I think we could have come up with some far better implementations.

[-] GrymEdm 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I upvoted, but I wanted to add a few thoughts. See, I understand what you're saying in that US history has been littered with acts ranging from questionable to horrible the entire time. However as a Canadian some of my most treasured people, both personal acquaintances and public figures, are/were American. Even though I criticize policies US policies (a lot more recently), I still feel a kinship to Americans and I like a lot of you.

I think America has an accountability problem where a very few people in power are allowed to COMPLETELY misrepresent the positions of their constituents and make national/state decisions that outrage huge portions of the population (often for money's sake). In the 20-odd years I've been an adult I've noticed this about the Iraq war, the 2008 financial crisis + wealth inequality in general, climate, health care, and now of course the situation in Gaza. There's almost no meaningful consequences applied when leaders act against the wishes of the populace or even your own laws. At worst some are not elected again and have to live on whatever millions they could amass during their years in power. Some say Americans get the government they deserve, but checks and balances don't work if the few people empowered to check and balance are on the same corrupt/unethical page.

So I'm equally suspicious of anyone who thinks that America has, as a nation, been the greatest country in the world the entire time. I would simultaneously argue though that the US is home to some of the greatest people and that a large % of the population is at least as "good" as most other countries. Of course there are genuine shitheads in America, but that's universal to every nation IMO. The real problem in my eyes is that your leaders have not been forced to actually put the "representation" in representative democracy. If you read all that, thanks for giving me your time.

[-] billiam0202 9 points 3 weeks ago

The dirty little secret of US History: America has had moments of greatness, but America has never been great. You can't pick a single era of America's past and not find some group being oppressed or some inequality being perpetrated by the wealthy.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Can you with any significant population? I think that's more human nature than American Exceptional(-ly bad)ism. In fact, if you look back though history of people assigned the moniker "The Great", the vast majority of them were right bastards.

Greatness is unfortunately often paired with awfulness.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

Same goes for business. If you see a bank called "Reliable Credit" you know they're going to specialize in super high interest loans. "Honest Car Sales" is going to sell you a car that breaks down before you even get home.

A lot of bills in congress seem to be labeled like this too. Anything with "freedom" in the name is going to be some authoritarian bullshit.

[-] PRUSSIA_x86 4 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like the left need to reclaim patriotism. It's hard to get the average voter excited for your policies when you're constantly shitting all over their home. That's why I hang my big American flag in my window, with my trans and pride flags in the others. Fuck you rednecks, come and take it.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

You don’t need to know anything about them to know that it’s going to be stupid.

[-] captainlezbian 3 points 3 weeks ago

I hate that the right has stolen the word liberty.

[-] Adalast 32 points 3 weeks ago

They certainly know something about swinging.

[-] jeffw 5 points 3 weeks ago

Underrated comment

[-] Suavevillain 27 points 3 weeks ago

Klan Karenhood is still around that sucks.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago

Moms for liberty. Making sure you and your children don’t have the liberty to live your life as you see fit.

[-] Boozilla 18 points 3 weeks ago

Ironic how moral panic dipshits pretend like they stand for liberty.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's about their liberty to tell you what you can or can't do/say

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Are Moms for Liberty the ones that think Gay People are the Devil while they themselves engage in Gay Sex?

[-] TallonMetroid 19 points 3 weeks ago

This is the group where the founder turned out to have been having threesomes with her husband and another woman, which came to light because the other woman accused them of sexual assault.

[-] GrymEdm 9 points 3 weeks ago

The article references what you might be remembering:

"The Moms have recently attracted a swell of bad press, thanks to a disastrous 60 Minutes interview in which the co-founders struggled to defend their stances; a chapter leading quoting Hitler in a newsletter last year; some members’ close ties to the Proud Boys; and, perhaps most notably, the group’s national co-founder Bridget Ziegler becoming embroiled in a sex scandal after it came out that she and her husband, Florida GOP chair Christian Ziegler, were involved in a three-way sexual relationship with a woman—even though Bridget Ziegler played a key role in the passage of Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” law, which forbade discussion of LGBTQ issues in many school settings. (Christian Ziegler was accused of rape by the other woman in the encounter—an allegation he denied, and which authorities ultimately declined to prosecute—and was booted from his post within the state Republican party earlier this year.)"

[-] HootinNHollerin 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Karens of Kristofascism

[-] AncientFutureNow 10 points 3 weeks ago

And she's ready to fuck your mom and your dad!

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I feel like few people are going to naturally get the reference and it's awesome... so I'll just leave this article here for anyone it whooshed (archive link because NYT has a paywall)


[-] FlyingSquid 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] extremeboredom 6 points 3 weeks ago

These types give me STRONG swinger vibes. There's just something about the way the couples interact with each other that says, OK these people are obviously desperately bored with each other and into some FREAKY shit.

[-] captainlezbian 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah they really do give swinger vibes. Though not because they’re into freaky shit, but because they feel like they have the same lack of understanding of consent and respect for others that doesn’t fly in irl freaky spaces except with swingers. They feel like they’re already blacklisted from every bdsm event in town.

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