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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by SquirtleHermit to c/politicalmemes
 

If you are looking to help bail water, @[email protected] recommend Mobilize.us to find opportunities to get started. We are all in this boat together.

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[–] teodor_from_achewood 59 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You're not one of the people bailing water in this image.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (4 children)

People on this sub react to memes that criticize both parties without explicitly mentioning they still vote for Biden, the way that most Westerners react to somebody criticizing Israel without explicitly mentioning they condemn the October 7th attack.

[–] Ensign_Crab 11 points 5 months ago

Be fair. People here react that way even if the person who posts the meme does explicitly mention they're voting for Biden.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Probably because of the significant overlap between people who abjectly refuse to do either.

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[–] WhatIsThePointAnyway 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

So what’s the plan to change it? All I have heard proposed is don’t vote or vote third party. No third party is remotely close to having a real shot in the near term. I am disappointed in Biden on some things like Palestine, but what are my options in the near term? We need to build a progressive grass roots party but that takes time, money, and a lot of work no one seems to want to do. Protests are a path but not one that seems to be making enough impact. I hear so much negativity like this but it seems to all point towards options that won’t fix the issue. Getting Trump back will set back progressive movements drastically with the rights hold on the courts and the house. Biden has done some compromise to the left at least. We need a real path to change and it’s got to be a long term plan because democracies move slowly.

[–] teodor_from_achewood 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Organize with a local campaign you agree with.

You can find one at mobilize.us

[–] WhatIsThePointAnyway 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

This is good. I wish more people pushed stuff like this instead of just throwing up their hands about the whole system.

[–] teodor_from_achewood 5 points 5 months ago

Me too. I hope you sign up for something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

this the general suggestion i see being given nowadays when this question is asked

[–] PopOfAfrica 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I get the people are too nervous to do it this election cycle, but the real answer is to create an organized movement in which you explicitly tell Democrats they will not get your votes unless they change course.

Let's say that this movement occurs within the next four years and not during this election cycle. If they genuinely want to win, they will have to capitulate. We just need to give them enough time in advance and the make clear concise demands.

[–] Ellvix 6 points 5 months ago

Changing the voting system would do a lot. First Past the Post sort of locks in a 2 party only matchup, and if we move to a better system (ranked choice, star, etc), third party candidates would be a real option and we could start to make those changes you want. As always, it starts local, some places are doing it already, we just need to keep expanding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

All I have heard proposed is don’t vote or vote third party.

This is how the Conservatives ensure they can keep drilling holes. All research points to vote-splitting or abstaining as helping the cons, since a hallmark of their culture is loyalty over all.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Join up withElection Science and switch your elections to Approval Voting. That's the first step. Approval means it's always safe to vote for your favorite, so third parties will start to see their true level of support in elections with approval voting.

But, if we leave it there we won't get more than a few extra third party candidates in office because single-winner elections always force two-party dominance. So once we get enough elections switched to approval, we go to multi-winner elections in legislative districts and use Sequential Proportional Approval Voting. Which is just the multi-winner version.

Approval is a very easy switch. If your election commission can do at-large elections (practically guaranteed) then they can do approval elections just by setting the selection limit to the number is candidates in the race.

Let me know if you want to know more. Running a referendum campaign is a lot of work and massively rewarding. It's the kind of "bigger than yourself" project that really makes people love their community.

[–] ZMoney 2 points 5 months ago

https://www.gp.org/

https://pslweb.org/

https://www.dsausa.org/

If you get tired of posting about how hopeless it is, go join a group that is trying to change things.

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[–] Feathercrown 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Hey look, I can make it say whatever I want too! This proves my viewpoint, I will take no further questions.

[–] SquirtleHermit 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Did you have further questions?

Or is it enough to say that I was just sharing what could very generously be called art to express my point of view and hoped that it resonated with folk and would prompt discussion that might be in it's own small way a part of the change I hope to see?

[–] Feathercrown 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Technically, mocking you is discussion ;)

Okok I'll stop being mean

[–] SquirtleHermit 5 points 5 months ago
[–] buttPickle 4 points 5 months ago

Yeah but yours isn’t correct as OP’s was

[–] wafflez 1 points 5 months ago

Conflating leftists with democrats?

[–] Bytemeister 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Meme is missing another citizen not bailing and saying "just vote for someone else" and then a body floating face down in the water that says "3rd party candidates".

Oh and approximately 2 more citizens dumping buckets of water back in the boat, screaming about how their rights to drill holes come from god and that the people bailing water are what is really wrong with the whole boat.

[–] SquirtleHermit 6 points 5 months ago

If only my artistic skills went beyond adding text to ~~stolen~~ borrowed images.

[–] lewdian69 15 points 5 months ago

Now THIS is an accurate meme

[–] Zehzin 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Except the two on the top are in a yatch playing golf

[–] FuglyDuck 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I hate that I can't tell if video game, render, or AI generated anymore.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Extremely AI, that image is.

[–] Hackworth 1 points 5 months ago
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah, they’re going down with this ship same as the rest of us.

[–] Viking_Hippie 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nah, most of them are far too rich for the system they built to let them suffer any real hardships.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The collapse of global society amidst climate change is not something they can be safe from.

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[–] BallotOrTheBullet 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

The vote determines who gets control of the drill

[–] PugJesus 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Xeroxchasechase 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

"Nothing matters don't try".... yeah

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

I mean, those guys with the buckets sure are trying something, taking direct action to avoid disaster.

[–] SquirtleHermit 22 points 5 months ago (7 children)

On the contrary, it all matters. Try like hell, go down kicking and screaming, vote for Biden if only to prevent more holes from being drilled, push for class consciousness and solidarity, get organized, get involved, and bail water like crazy.

Just don't mistake where you are in this image, and don't mistake the Dems for allies, they are at best a useful tool.

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[–] Brkdncr 4 points 5 months ago

Can we get a huge yacht with a piss stream coming from off screen and landing in the boat?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're getting tired of grabbing buckets, see if you can get people to stop endorsing drillers.

[–] SquirtleHermit 1 points 5 months ago

It's so obvious in hindsight!

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