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At an all-hands meeting last week, Google executives responded to employee questions about declining morale even with financial performance improving.

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[–] [email protected] 281 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

“Despite the company’s stellar performance and record earnings, many Googlers have not received meaningful compensation increases” a top-rated employee question read. “When will employee compensation fairly reflect the company’s success and is there a conscious decision to keep wages lower due to a cooling employment market?”

With this leadership, when you unionize. It's literally what they're for.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 6 months ago

Still, asking the question in this clear way that almost evokes the answer by itself is important. It puts it into the heads of people watching. Could be a union instigator. 😅

[–] [email protected] 50 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's also why there's no way Google can sustain these numbers. They pay workers like a random startup, just without any possibility of striking it rich on stock options. They are likely to be hemorrhaging talent at all engineering positions.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They don't care. They have monopoly over everything! They have your phones private data, they have your search history, they have your automatically uploaded pictures to Google drive of your butthole! They own you and you'll do as they like, whenever they like! Now where's that guy who knows how to operate all that stuff? Wait, he was fired to lower costs? Oh...

[–] Omgpwnies 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For as long as Google is part of FAANG, they will have a nearly unlimited supply of fresh grads to burn through, and fresh grads still line up to work there to get that name on their CV.

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[–] SlopppyEngineer 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, the suits have taken over and switched the money squeeze to max.

[–] ours 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

And they'll argue "you don't need [all the things that make this company great]". And then we'll wonder how a once leading company is dying on their now crappy products/services.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 7 points 6 months ago

To be eventually bought up by a private equity firm that gives it the last squeeze before throwing the withered husk on the final Google Graveyard.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

And that’s how Microsoft moved into irrelevance under Ballmer until Satya Nadella started focussing on innovation again. When sales lead technology businesses they always decline.

[–] EnderMB 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You would be mortified at how many people in big tech, including those that have directly experienced injustice or unfair treatment at work, simply want no part of a tech union.

Frankly, some industries absolutely need it (e.g. games). If they'll put up with what they put up with and still choose not to unionize I don't really know how software engineers will...

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[–] [email protected] 183 points 6 months ago (4 children)

A decline in morale after record profits? I think a pizza party is an order.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (23 children)
[–] WhatAmLemmy 22 points 6 months ago

I'll take a deep pan bbq executive

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink 16 points 6 months ago

You will take 1/64th of a plain cheese and like it.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

My firm threw a staff BBQ at one of the satellite sites yesterday. My director was texting me about going....45 mins away....for a hot dog.... standing in a field on a rainy day.....

Sorry boss, deadlines to meet gotta prioritize my work here.

Yet, there's managers who very likely pay attention to who shows up and who doesn't and judge their work based on it.

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[–] yggstyle 125 points 6 months ago (3 children)

~~Do no evil.~~

Beatings will continue until morale improves.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Beatings will continue until the stock price improves.

[–] cornshark 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The stock price has improved yet the beatings continue

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[–] slingstone 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)
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[–] NutWrench 116 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Company-wide email: "We've had our best year EVER and it's all thanks to YOU!"

Me: "Great. Can I have a raise?"

Company: "Oh, we can't afford THAT."

[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"Due to current market conditions . . ." is the line my group has been given. There never seems to be market conditions where the workers get to win.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago

Market conditions for me but not for thee...

[–] cornshark 39 points 6 months ago

"here's a layoff"

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Best we can do is a pizza party

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We don't even get those any more.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Best we can do is mass layoffs and a strictly enforced return-to-office policy

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Google is using artificial intelligence to summarize employee comments and questions for the forum.

Well, isn't that a good start?

Anyway, the TLDR "answer" from CFO Porat is "We were spending too much", while Pichai's answer is "We hired too much people". Way to dodge the question, assholes.

Alphabet’s full-time headcount climbed to over 190,000 at the end of 2022, up almost 22% from a year earlier and 40% higher than at the close of 2020.

So they had around 135k employees in 2020. Why the fuck did you overhire, then? Just to lay off and show off to investors as someone who increased profits in the most asinine way?

Pichai then joked that leadership should hold a “Finance 101” Ted Talk for employees.

Yeah, nevermind me, Sundar Pichai, earning way more money year after year while you're all begging for raises, it's just finances, you guys!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the Finance 101 comment was a good indication he doesn't take the concerns seriously, it's such a flippant response.

I can't imagine why there's a morale problem.

[–] captainlezbian 9 points 6 months ago

“There wouldn’t be a morale problem if our employees weren’t so stupid”

[–] captainlezbian 20 points 6 months ago

Ah yes, employees are only mad because they don’t understand the finances. Like, no, we’re disgruntled by layoffs no matter what. Layoffs trade morale and productivity for cash

[–] bitwaba 15 points 6 months ago

Yeah. Let's let him teach a Finance 101 class.

I'd be interested in the lessons a guy that approved a 40% headcount increase then did layoffs and said "I take full responsibility" can teach anyone.

How's the saying go? Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach.. Go on professor. Schools us. The Investors are listening.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is the same company that fired a bunch of people for opposing genocide, right? That didn't help morale? \s \s \s

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The firings ~~fittings~~ will continue until moral improves

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[–] iAvicenna 55 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Huh who would have seen that coming out of prioritising income over employees (and users)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Exactly, the CEO uses the word "expense" to refer to employees at least 4 times according to my count.

“The problem is a couple of years ago — two years ago, to be precise — we actually got that upside down and expenses started growing faster than revenues,” said Porat

They even joke that they need to give a Finance 101 Ted Talk, as if that will help. From their perspective, employees are not people. They're not even resources to be nurtured. They're expenses. And the company has a duty to keep expenses low.

What a tone-deaf response.

[–] paddirn 52 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I feel like I've been having whiplash at work every other month. One month we'll get word of record profits or cheery news about how we're beating performance targets or whatever, but then the next month we'll hear about some new internal cost-cutting initiative that feels like we're having to tighten our belts with a hint of desperation to it. I never actually know how we're doing because it feels like I'm getting two conflicting impressions.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

Profits are higher than ever, but line must go up so you're all fired.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

This is the best year we've ever had, also there won't be any bonuses anymore.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Companies can seem very bipolar that way. Always yelling about how well they're doing, while also cutting costs to maximize investor confidence.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 months ago (2 children)

They’d sell your soul for a couple of bucks.

[–] JPSound 11 points 6 months ago

That's precisely what they do. But not only their souls but the souls of the employees just trying to provide for their families and live a normal and fulfilled life.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

After 20+ in software, my loyalty towards my current employer is as strong and unyielding as theirs is to me: Not at all.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 months ago

I wonder if the decline in morale correlates with the decline in morals.

[–] nifty 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Knowledge workers need to get out of this ego-driven complex that they don’t need unions. You’re working class and chattle, believing anything else is delusional and pathetic.

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