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  • Star Wars Disney Plus shows should move away from Jedi-centric stories and explore other aspects of the Star Wars universe
  • Andor is a successful example of a Star Wars show without Jedi, focusing on the Empire's control and morally gray characters
  • Suggestions for new Star Wars show ideas include Pod Racing, Jawa Storage Wars, and One Man and His Droid, among others
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[–] jordanlund 54 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You mean like The Mandalorian? πŸ€”

[–] [email protected] 46 points 7 months ago

Also Boba Fett which, sadly, proves that focusing away from the Jedi stories doesn't guarantee a good story.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb 49 points 7 months ago (4 children)

What Disney should do is focus away from the ~100 years that take place during the Skywalker saga. Theyre coming out with an old republic show, finally, after owning the property for over 10 years now. Its a big ass galaxy, fill it with something.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy 24 points 7 months ago

But of course, obligatory Tatooine plot

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago

Old republic isnt less sith and jedi, its many many more.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Nah, it's the High Republic era, aka Disney fanfic because they can't figure what to do next with their nostalogy sequel era.

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[–] CthuluVoIP 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

As a longtime (read: older) Star Wars fan, I feel like completely eschewing Jedi is a mistake. What I’d love to see is more exploration of the world from the perspective of people who aren’t Jedi and aren’t directly involved in the mystic struggle, but are present to bear witness to what happens when literal gods play politics around them.

The Jedi should always be a central theme to Star Wars. They’re what make the universe what it is. Without them, it’s just another space opera, and sci fi needs its MacGuffin. But it would be super interesting to see stories told from outside of that central narrative, reacting to, interacting with, and otherwise existing around the Jedi.

I know this has been explored to some extent with Mandalorian and Andor, but the latter - while a great show - still felt like it would be improved with more direct involvement of the central theme of the universe.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

IMO talking about Jedi, Sith and the Force too much dilutes their importance.

They're indeed central to the story, but they're also extremely rare, to a point where most people in the Star Wars universe believe the Jedi are a myth which may not even be real. Seeing a Jedi in action would be like seeing the Messiah in the flesh.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

That's in large part due to the machinations of the Emperor, though. They were a para-military policing force throughout the galaxy before the fall of the Republic. Those planets who don't get a lot of interaction with the Republic (like Tatooine) are probably going to have less direct interaction... but they'll still have some familiarity with the overall concept that doesn't lean heavily into grandiose myth.

[–] ocassionallyaduck 36 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Disney needs to re-learn the concept of the Disney Vault, and use it.

I don't want any more star wars this decade, thanks. Games, books, sure. But TV and film absolutely not.

Take a break, let the audience build nostalgia and long for it, and sweet Jesus have a fucking plan next time.

Nope, they're doing a trilogy of Rey movies.

[–] RGB3x3 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Nope, they're doing a trilogy of Rey movies.

They're doing fucking what?

[–] AngryCommieKender 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

https://nerdist.com/article/three-new-star-wars-movies-announced-including-daisy-ridley-return-as-rey/

I only see one Rey movie in here, but Mandalorian and Grogu is going to be horrible, calling it now.

[–] samus12345 10 points 7 months ago

The Mandalorian and Grogu

Can't quite believe that's a real movie name and not a joke.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean Mandalorian already jumped the shark with season 3 anyway.

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[–] qevlarr 34 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Let me go against the grain here: I see a lot of people saying "we need a show like this, we need more of that", but we don't really need more Star Wars. We need good Star Wars, not more Star Wars.

Most people want the occasional movie and show about the central Star Wars story, not a multitude of spin-offs about not-Star Wars which happen to be set in the Star Wars universe. They should develop more original stories and settings. "Go out and make your own Star Wars" in the words of George Lucas.

The only problem is the central movies have turned out to be absolute dogshit under Disney.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, hard agree. "Andor was great because it wasn't about Jedi" is the wrong lesson to take.

Andor was great because it was made by people who were deeply passionate about what they were doing. They took the set dressing and the context that Star Wars offered and they used it to tell an incredibly powerful story of resistance against fascist oppression, everything that means and entails and what it costs. They created something powerful and vital that deserves and needs to exist.

We need more media that was created out of passion. We need artists to be set free to make art, not shackled to producing whatever a studio thinks is popular. That doesn't mean it all has to be high minded, subtle or complex; John Wick was a work of artistic passion and it shows. The art is "Look how cool it is when Keanu Reeves shoots people", but that can be art too. Subtle, complex morality plays or guns and explosions, or Jedi having lightsaber duels. It doesn't matter. What matters is that people creating it really, really give a shit about what they're making, and are allowed to make it the way they want to.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Or in short: we need more things that were made because someone wanted to tell that particular story, not because someone needed to fill a slot in a release schedule.

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[–] makyo 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I really feel like somewhere along the line they forgot that what made Star Wars cool was the gritty 'Han shot first' scifi spaghetti western stuff. The Jedi are an important piece of that but it's so sanitized now - ain't nobody suddenly finding their bloody arm laying on the ground anymore.

[–] RGB3x3 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

"Sanitized" is the best way to describe everything Disney puts out these days, whether it's Marvel, Star Wars, or even Pixar.

They feel designed-by-committee, unassuming, uncontroversial, flat, easy. There's little experimentation in story-telling, filming techniques, dialogue, and pacing. It's always the "conversation, action, witty remark between characters, action, conversation, witty remark" formula.

It's all so predictable and boring.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

I loved the franchise when I was a kid for exactly those reasons, and then Star Wars started talking about failed trade negotiations and midi-chlorian counts. I haven't paid too much attention since then, but I get the impression I haven't missed much.

[–] kemsat 29 points 7 months ago (3 children)

They should leave the Skywalker saga. There’s thousands of years & a whole galaxy to fill with stories, and they keep dancing in the same 100 years & the same planets.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Man if I see Saw Garrera appear in some obscure corner of the galaxy with a band of proto-rebels again I'm going to be mad, Cad Bane too, fun for a bit but how do we keep running into the same characters in a whole galaxy? I'm sure there were more but I always noticed how they kept appearing.

[–] Maggoty 4 points 7 months ago

Well that's because they keep killing off all the compelling characters they could follow.

I'm not still bitter about Rogue One at all...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Or...and hear me out...come out with a newer, shittier trilogy every 20 years

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Andor was written as a heist thriller that happens to occur in the Star Wars universe, that's why it's good. Same as Rogue One.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago

Wrong (in my opinion), jedi aren't the problem, writing and creativity is.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

It’s important to remember that the vast majority of the galactic population has never seen a Jedi in real life, and doesn’t even know anyone who has. The Jedi are nearly mythical figures, surrounded by rumor, speculation, and misinformation.

[–] GlitterInfection 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Well, by now they've probably seen all the films.

If it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away and has made it to our backwater planet, then it must be pretty widely popular.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

The space marine effect

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

They are not obsessed with jedi, they are obsessed with making money. Wait what that little shit yoda is trending on twitter? Throw everything away, we need more baby yoda.

[–] gusgalarnyk 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think the Jedi/no Jedi debate isn't useful. I believe the major difference is whether or not the writing is good or not. Andor felt like the best star wars material ever written, a whole different league. Mandalorian season 1 felt like fresh, fun star wars. Season 2 felt messier and more corporate with it's connections to the greater universe. Season 3 felt bad. Ashoka felt bad. Boba fett felt bad.

They feel worse the worse the writing gets, Jedi or not.

I agree that seeing a wider range of stories from different time periods (other than the ones Disney has already fucked up - looking at you FO and the rehash of 4-6) would be great. But that's not what will predict the quality - well paid writers with a vision and a team around them interested in that vision is what we need.

[–] gerbler 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I just want smaller scale stories where the stakes are high not because of some galactic consequence but because we become attached to the characters and their small worlds.

Andor felt tense because the world was small so smaller scale crises seem larger. I felt more when >!Kino said he couldn't swim!< than I did when the Death Star obliterated everyone on Scarif.

The only reason why I want less Jedi in my star wars is because I want them to feel special. Star Wars has a massive Galaxy where Jedi were a rarity even before the purge so give me more of that. Don't blow your load every 10 seconds by shoehorning lightsabers into every story.

Give me a film noir set on Nar Shaddaa or a heist set on Alderaan. I'm tired of the overuse of Jedi like I'm tired of the overuse of Tatooine. That planet is supposed to be a backwater with nothing going on hence Obi Wan choosing to hide there but instead we visit it every other Tuesday because executives think people want sand and brown doors.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I actually don't want any more Star Wars content. I'm seriously bored now. Perhaps if any of it was good it would be different but so much of it is so bad.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Same. I recently found out there are Star Wars shows I wasn't even aware of and I have no desire to even find out what they're about.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I saw Star Wars in the theater when it was just called Star Wars. I couldn't agree with OP more. However I have zero trust that Disney will make more adult oriented shows for the simple reason of merch. What's the merchandising opportunities of Andor? You can't sell lightsaber replicas when there's no lightsabers to replicate.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago

There is nothing wrong with Jedi-centric stories ... if the stories would be any good.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago

Andor is not the first lesson to do Star Wars without Jedi.

The MMO Star Wars Galaxies is.

[–] reddig33 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Acolyte trailer certainly looks repetitive/derivative.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago

That's a very polite way of saying it looks like an extremely expensive pile of hot dog shit, and I agree with that sentiment.

[–] CosmicCleric 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Acolyte trailer certainly looks repetitive/derivative.

Still trying to keep an open mind to it, but from the trailers it does have a feel of being written by people who don't get Star Wars.

I'm hoping it's more of them just trying to grow Star Wars in a certain new direction. Hopefully a direction that fits the Star Wars universe.

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[–] dlpkl 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For all the shit that Lucas gets, I have to say that his vision for Star Wars has not been replicated. And when you grow up watching those films, you become hyper-sensitive to anything that doesn't "feel" Star Wars. I honestly believe that's why the Sequel trilogy wasn't received well, and why the TV shows fall flat for the most part.

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[–] databender 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you can do a bunch with jedi/sith, but you have to use the force for something more interesting than pushing things and jumping pretty high. The extended universe novels had all sorts of cool shit force users could do with it. They should lean in to that kind of stuff.

[–] retrospectology 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It helps too when they're not over used. You have to think how genuinely frightening force users must be to the average person. They don't need to go full-on "The Boys" levels of trope subversion, but showing the force as it might appear to your normie citizen might be interesting. I would think most people feel a mixture of awe, fear and mistrust.

We got a little bit of that when CGI Luke showed up at the end of the Mandalorian season to take away Baby Handpuppet. Seeing the mandalorians, who train to fight their whole lives, struggling so hard to get through the ship and deal with the droids, and then a Jedi shows up and just kind of breezes through them. It's that kind of perspective that makes the jedi and sith seem impressive.

It's a similar reason people responded so well to Darth Vader's scene at the end of Rogue One, he just seems genuinely superhuman when seen from that kind of bottom up perspective.

[–] databender 5 points 7 months ago

I completely agree - force users should be few and far between, but if you're going to put a Jedi Master or Sith Lord onscreen they should be goddamn impressive. It would be something you became creative with while mastering, but all we see them do is hop around and shove stuff.

[–] Duamerthrax 5 points 7 months ago

So glad I bailed on Star Wars when they announced 11 new projects all at once.

[–] RealFknNito 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I want something that explores and expands in the sentinels, probably the coolest form of Jedi to me.

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