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[–] [email protected] 99 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (44 children)

Yup. Bought at the end of 2019, refinanced in late 2020. Currently have a 15 year mortgage at a fixed 2.1% APR. I literally cannot afford to give this up.

It's less that I want to leave this house, specifically, and more that I just want out of this state. For multiple reasons unrelated to my good mortgage deal, I'm stuck here for the foreseeable future.

On the bright side, I never thought I'd actually own a house so I'll take the win.

[–] RememberTheApollo_ 30 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Ditto. 2.6%. Car loan at 3.2%. Can’t afford a new car, can’t afford to move these days. Yeah, it’s hard to bitch when you’re glad to have a home, but it’s a figurative “house arrest” when market forces trap you.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Yep, 2.7% here. Bought in summer 2020. I really like the house, but the property is challenging as its a big slope. I didn't realize all the challenges in dealing with that. However, it's starting to grow on me and I'm still getting what I want out of my land its... just... more work and money. I got such a good deal it doesn't make sense to leave.

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[–] whodovoodoowedo 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago

WV. Not worse, just differently bad.

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[–] KaiReeve 72 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I recently gave up my 3% mortgage from 2013 in exchange for a 7% mortgage. It hurts, but it was worth it to get out of Florida.

In the end, my housing costs actually didn't change that much because my home insurance rates were skyrocketing.

[–] dogslayeggs 72 points 7 months ago (2 children)

but it was worth it to get out of Florida.

You could put almost any horrific thing in front of that phrase and it sound valid.

I had to keep my arm in a tub of fire ants for 5 minutes, but it was worth it to get out of Florida.

[–] 5oap10116 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I had to cut off several limbs leading to a bad case of sepsis...

I had to sell a few children (not mine) along the way engage in some other morally questionable activities...

I had to sacrifice my first born like Abraham did his Isaac...

...but it was worth it to get out of Florida

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 months ago

It reads like a country song...

🤌

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm in year 17 of my 5 year starter home. I can't afford to upgrade now. I'm gonna die in this house.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Hey, don’t be so glum. You could die at work for example.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)
[–] Imalostmerchant 19 points 7 months ago

Ok yeah you're gonna die in your home

[–] Alexstarfire 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Poayjay 56 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Same story as everyone else. Bought pre-covid, refinanced, now sitting pretty. We desperately want to move, but I would have to make like $50k more a year for the same quality of life.

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[–] pigup 33 points 7 months ago

Had 30 yr 3.84%, refinanced in 2021 to 15 yr 1.999%. it's the cheapest money I'll ever have.

[–] StereoTrespasser 33 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Kinda strange reading all these comments about how people dislike their house and where they live, but can't imagine giving up their mortgage rate.

The almighty mortgage handcuffs, the true American dream.

[–] DogWater 13 points 7 months ago

Oh look it's me. 3.125%

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

2.875 here, my monthly payment is $545. I want to move, but it would be financially stupid to do so

[–] damnedfurry 16 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Basically, unless the sale gets you enough to buy the next house in cash, it's a bad idea, lol.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 7 months ago

Oh, yeah. This isn't the house I wanted to die in, but unless we have another near-negative interest rate drop, we're here for the long term.

"Are you willing to relocate?" has now become a hard "no."

[–] [email protected] 25 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And people moved away from cities during COVID to decrease their cost of living and get a bigger place while still being able to work from home. They bought with lover interest rates in their mortgage.

Now employers want a return to office. The employees can't afford to move back.

[–] Cryophilia 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Also a lot of people have discovered that no one wants to live in rural areas because they fucking suck. That's why there's no people there.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Are we like not even allowed to talk about renting out our home in order to upgrade or something? That's the play right now. Net present value of your almostfree money is maximized by turning it into cashflow. Plus you don't blow 6% on closing costs, and it's all the same to the bank in terms of getting another loan. It actually ends up being an equity asset as well as income.

Err, what I meant to say was murder all landlords.

[–] OhmsLawn 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's possible, if you have the savings for a second down payment. I'm pretty sure you also lose certain tax advantages if you convert your primary home to an income property. Depending on how long you've owned it, that can work out to a serious hit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You can't deduct the mortgage interest (you can on the new primary residence though), but suddenly every dollar you spend on the rental property is tax deductible as a business expense. And you can like deduct depreciation on the appliances and shit. It's actually more tax advantaged in some situations.

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[–] jordanlund 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)

3.25% 30 year... 27 years left.

But I'm OK staying. I've made huge improvements. Upgraded the electrical panel from 100A to 200A, added solar panels, added a retractible awning. Hot tub is coming.

It's a nice house, with a good yard, will be fun to add playground stuff when we have grand-kids.

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[–] derf82 20 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Bought my house just before the crash in 2007. Felt screwed over as I went underwater and was stuck with my 6.5% loan while interest rates and home values plummeted (and because my mortgage was privately held, no HARP refi option.

Finally after nearly 15 years not only go out from under water but built enough equity for a no cost refinance. Got into a 2.25% loan.

Sad part is, despite the lower rate, due to skyrocketing insurance and taxes, my payment is no cheaper

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I’m one of them. For a lot of reasons my partner and I want to move, but we have a 3% mortgage. Even though we have a large amount of equity, we still can’t afford to buy now. I’m looking a getting a loan from my parents, which is ridiculous considering our situation but almost 8% interest rates mean our payment would just about double from what we have now.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Lucky 'mericans. In Canada, fixed mortgages are still renegotiated every 5 years or so, nearly every homeowner with a mortgage is getting wrecked by the interest rates.

[–] PlasticExistence 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We get wrecked by other things. Healthcare costs is my wrecking ball.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Its less of a problem of lock in here in Australia. Our rates tend to only be fixed for the first few years. Then you go to the variable rate. We have an opposite problem, where we have what's known as a mortgage cliff. People who signed up at affordable repayment amounts end that lock in period and have payments jump significantly. Some are forced to sell.

Being locked in seems better than being forced to sell.

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[–] negativeyoda 14 points 7 months ago

2.75% here. Yeah... I don't like where I live but I ain't moving unless I have to

[–] JJROKCZ 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

3.6 here (bought 22) and not fucking moving until rates are at least below 4 again. If that means I don’t ever move again then so be it

[–] [email protected] 18 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If that means I don’t ever love again then so be it

Either this is a typo or very dramatic lol.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

7-8% rates are bad by recent standards but not awful by historical standards. Depending on where I move and how much house I can get, I'd be willing to give up my 2.9% rate for something in that range.

There are a few other factors to consider right now, anyway. I'm a Houston resident, and this is supposed to be a particularly bad hurricane season along with a historic heat wave. My wife is terrified of the state's newest right wing legislative push, as well. Michigan, Minnesota, and Washington is looking better and better as Texas brains are poisoned by MAGA media. And, despite having a gangbusters growth, my O&G employer decided to cut our bonuses from last year - so I've got one eye on the job market again. Our water bill jumped by 9% in a single year. Our interior roadways are falling apart, with no sign that the city or state plans to clean them up or improve access to public transit. HISD is being cannibalized by the governor's cronies, so I won't have anywhere to send my kids in a few years.

Would I pay an extra $500/mo to live in a state that isn't run by pedophiles, bigots, and zealots? Absolutely. Bonus points if it got me out of the concrete jungle and put me in spitting distance of some decent mass transit.

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[–] protokaiser 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My wife and I were lucky enough to be able to purchase a home at a decent rate and then refinance a few years later to an even better rate (around 3.5%). We bought in 2019, when the world was still somewhat sane. The thought of trying to sell and get a new home at the higher rate makes me sick to my stomach and I feel bad for my brother-in-law.

[–] iamdisillusioned 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

We bought in 2016 with 50k down at 3.5% and our payments were $2,800. We refinanced and now our payments are $2,400. Zillow says if we bought our same house today, at today's rate with the same amount down the payments would be $7,700, an utterly unfathomable amount.

[–] blady_blah 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

The dropping interest rate is one of the main reasons that housing prices have skyrocketed in the past 20 years. People judge housing prices by what they can afford monthly and interest rates directly impact that figure. It's only a matter of time for housing prices to fall drastically if interest rates remain at 7%.

And yes, I have a 500k loan at 2.5% on a 30yr fixed mortgage. Maybe we'll sell our house in 15 years, but otherwise, forget it! I have zero interest in paying it off early.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago

When we were buying (2019), my in-laws were pushing for us to just get a starter home, and then upgrade in a few years. Both my wife and I were like "no, we're buying once and being done with." So we went a little higher than I was comfortable with.

However, our house has increased by 50% since we bought it, and we were able to refinance to 3% during the pandemic. Which was and is fantastic. But, yeah, we don't even think about moving now.

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