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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[-] [email protected] 82 points 1 month ago

Also, trump appointed 3 supreme court justices, who will be there FOR LIFE.

[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

~~Assassinate~~ 'em, you say?

No, just kidding.

I'm just someone watching from Europe, getting a little concerned 😔

[-] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

Same here. Watching from Europe, and going "hmm, I think we had a few very bloody revolutions to solve these kinds of problems"

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[-] inclementimmigrant 69 points 1 month ago

Do I hate the two party system? Yes. Do I hate the fact that centrists like Joe Liberman who literally killed universal healthcare in the US are revered and embraced by Biden's party? Yes. Do I hate the fact that Democrats are always dismissive of liberal ideas and often act like complete jackasses and can't admit that when Obama was running there were a ton of Clinton supporters that didn't vote for Obama in a blatant act of pure hypocrisy? Yes.

Do I fucking hate Nazis and Fascist? Fuck yes.

Hence why even if I don't like the Democrat running, I'll vote for them and honestly, Biden isn't too sucktastic. Except for kyrsten sinema, she can fuck right the hell off forever.

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 1 month ago

Indeed, you've spelled it out plainly: there is no vote option to end the U.S. funding of Israel's genocide in Gaza.

I can either make a vote that won't end it, or I can make a vote that won't end it (and may actually make it worse, as you alluded) and will also lead to significant negative consequences for many groups of people here.

If there’s a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

Not just trans, but homosexual, non-white, non-religious, women.

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[-] [email protected] 50 points 1 month ago

Buddy, friend, gamer. It’s march. Can you bring this out in six months? There is no reason to fill everyone’s feed up like this and sow political division on the left over seven months before it’s relevant.

Plus, the pressure looks like it’s working, so a vote for Biden might be a lot more palatable then. A lot of your work might get done automatically

[-] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago

Liberals would rather blame leftists than actually fight fascism.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

Leftist here. What are you doing to "fight," brother?

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[-] Zehzin 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you look at how many times liberals staged a coup and put a dictator in charge because a country decided to democratically elect a vaguely leftist president you start to realize they much prefer fascism to leftism. Now they're just doing the same thing domestically.

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[-] DingoBilly 47 points 1 month ago

So many dumb Americans here not voting. Cutting off your legs so you can hold the moral high ground. Moronic.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago

Anyone that isn't voting for Biden is helping someone get into office that will implement wildly homophobic and transphobic policies. People in this thread are really showing their cards.

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[-] makyo 39 points 1 month ago

Step 1: defeat Trump Step 2: help reshape Democratic party

Because the fact is, if we don't do step 1 first, we'll have our work cut out for us the next four or more years just being back in 'The Resistance'. Which you know isn't going to make the Dems more liberal, it's going to pull them to the right as more dissatisfied Trump voters finally peel off.

On the other hand, the more resounding of a defeat we can dish out to the GQP and MAGA, the easier it will be to send them into the wilderness to regroup politically so we can focus all of our energies on the Democratic party.

[-] go_go_gadget 23 points 1 month ago

We defeated Trump in 2020. Nothing changed and Biden spent his entire term catering to liberals and moderates.

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[-] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not advocating for voting third party, but how do you genuinely plan on reshaping the democrat party, and how would this time be different, compared to the past?

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago

Anyone who doesn’t vote immediately loses the right to complain for the next 4 years.

Don’t like it? Should’ve done your duty and put in a vote.

Fuck you, fence sitters

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[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

f there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

Hey hi, it's me, your trans friend. And you need to put this energy towards protesting Biden instead of leftists. I honestly feel like you are low key getting trolled and missing the point?

Like, seriously, we all know "shithole countries" Trump would be worse on every single issue, including and especially Gaza. But it's six months till the election, PLENTLY of time for a course change by Biden. Absolutely a second Trump term scares the 💩 out of me. So i appreciate where you are coming from, but until it's November, I think pressing Dems and trusting leftists to do whats right day of is the most good y'all can do.

[-] force 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

trusting leftists to do whats right

i can't trust leftists because leftists are stupid. look how they lost italy, the leftists splintered and refused to work together because of petty shit which allowed the right including literal fascists to take over the government. this is the same type of dumb stuff that happens everywhere with leftists, because of their "holier than thou" attitude.

i will not leave the election's outcome in the leftists' hands because they always fuck it up when that's the case. they always refuse to cooperate with the enemies of their enemy because they don't see them as left enough, despite it being the only option to not have their long-term goals permanently blocked off, and the country always devolves into diet fascism afterwards. it has lost us many nations throughout history, so no thanks.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago

a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide

Demanding people vote for genocide as a lesser of two evils is where we are at now.

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[-] Masterblaster420 31 points 1 month ago

Let us not forget how much Trump hates environmental regulation. He will auction off America's treasures for whoever sticks enough money in his pocket. Biden has done a pretty decent job of maintaining the old guard mentality of preservation and conservation (as imperfect as that may be).

I wish more people cared about the environment.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago

This will be the most important election in the history of the united states. You have two choices, Dictator, or Democracy. A no vote is a vote AGAINST Democracy.

[-] Mikesomething 37 points 1 month ago

I hear this every single election.

Dems - "democracy is at stake! THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN YOUR LIFE"

Me - *Holds nose and votes for the lesser evil"

Dems - "thanks guys that was close" Proceeds to sit around with a thumb in their collective asshole for 4 years.

...

Dems - "Democracy is at stake! REALLY guys - THIS is the most important election ever!"

It's fucking exhausting. If the Dems really wanted people to come out and vote, they would spend less time begging for our votes, and more time representing our collective interests.

[-] multifariace 22 points 1 month ago

They don't sit around at all! They are out there working hard. Suckling the teet of major donors. Pretending they oppose the Republican party.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Now is the time to pressure Biden. This is the tender time where leftists can actually force consessions, and those won't happen if you "Vote Blue no matter who" the situation as Biden is actively facilitating a genocide. Even if you ultimately plan on voting for him, you must pressure him now as though you may not, or you will be spinelessly contributing to even more genocide.

Biden supports genocide because Israel is a valuable ally to the US empire as a foothold in the Middle East, and will only go against that if it looks like it may cost him the election. Do not assume Biden is a good person that just needs to "see reason," that's utter Utopianism. Biden has his interests, and we have ours, so to steer him we need to fight hard, now.

Please save this sentiment for after Leftists have successfully pressured Biden into ending the genocide, not while he is actively arming Israel.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

It's a good time to not be American and not having voting for one of those pricks on your conscience

[-] tb_ 24 points 1 month ago

It's a bad time to not be an American because that country holds far too much sway over the rest of the world and you can't even help picking the lesser poison.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People need to understand that it's possible to vote against genocide.

No, it doesn't matter that he's an active participant in the apparatus that's creating the genocide, because if he's in office there's less genocide. Which is the important part, and pretending otherwise is sophistry. If you abstain from voting, you are increasing the likelihood of more genocide and if you discourage others from voting, you are an active participant in the overall social apparatus that is probabilistically increasing the amount of genocide.

The utility calculation is dead simple: more votes for Biden in key states makes more genocide less likely, and discouraging people from voting for Biden makes more genocide more likely. Therefore, discouraging people from voting for Biden is a pro-genocide strategy and voting for Biden in battleground states is an anti-genocide strategy. I live in a solid blue state, so I reserve the right to vote third party, but I will also encourage other people to vote for Biden.

You should vote for Biden unless you live in a solid blue state, and even then it's not a bad idea.

Edit: grammar correction

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[-] AncientFutureNow 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

As you read through these comments, note that anyone using the phrase "the liberals", followed by some condescending remark, are voting for trump.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 21 points 1 month ago

If I reply with STOP will these "please vote" memes go away? Because I'm gonna vote the way everybody wants me to and they're almost as annoying as the texts I get from the DNC.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

If moderates really don’t want trump to win so bad, maybe they should make some real commitments to policy changes that the left want, not just half baked, watered down “market based” solutions that get shredded to a skeleton in committee.

Moderates can scream their lungs out all they want, but talk is cheap, and if they want the left on side they should earn that and not act so entitled to their support. Trump is bad, he shouldn’t win, but why is it on the left to keep him from winning? Why is it never the moderates fault for failing to hold up their end of the coalition?

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

I just can't believe it's gonna be these two losers again. This is our best and brightest?

Lame.

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